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urobolus
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03-01-2006, 03:14 AM
Post subject: moving from five to eight players
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I'm moving from a five to eight player game; not a big casino thing, just a home game with a measly $5.00 buy-in. Three players are fairly seasoned, four players are pretty much fish, and I'm half of each, with a few steps toward the fishy side. 10 cent BB, three 50 cent bets cap.
Of the five fishy players, two (one being myself, though I'm changing a bit as of now to fit the table) play pretty tight, the others are prone to bluffing with mediocre hands (mid-to-high pairs mostly, flush draws), but will just as easily power-bet monster hands.
The three coming in are the more seasoned crowd. One has won a good amount of money at Vegas, the other two are his cohorts of lesser ability, which probably still amounts to more skill than everyone else. However, that's all I know--they are new, so I don't know how they play yet.
What strategy changes does one make going from five to eight? I assume I will be winning less hands now--or at least that's the way it should be, but of course you never know for sure--but what else? Do I play tighter, or more aggressive? Should I take more chances in trying to call bluffs, or just wait until the odds are lopsidedly in my favor?
I'm living on the cheap and can't afford the $50 deposits one needs to make in order to play with real money online, so practicing with microlimits is a no-go. (any suggestions about that, also?)
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urobolus
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Hm...tried to use the 'moneybookers' site to make the deposit, but it says depositing to my account via credit card has been disabled for 24 hours...wtf? 
Whatever, I should calm down. If I don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for a glitch to pass over then I probably don't have the patience to win at a table w/eight people, eh?
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03-01-2006, 05:14 AM
Post subject: Re: moving from five to eight players
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Originally Posted by urobolus
I'm moving from a five to eight player game; not a big casino thing, just a home game with a measly $5.00 buy-in. ... 10 cent BB, three 50 cent bets cap.
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Thats a pretty shitty structure for the real poor players and an excellent structure for the good ones. To increase your edge change your structure.
Make them .1/.25 SB/BB and a 3 50 cent bets cap on the turn and river. Also, get rid of your max buyin (as you want people to put as much money as possible when playing, if they want to gamble let them gamble) and just put a min buyin of $2.50. If you HAD to do a max buyin for some stupid reason, make it $10.
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when my friends and i play a LHE cash game, we play for fun so we play .50/1 LHE with a 4 bet cap unless heads up. Usually there's no great need for the cap-free bets, but it's there just in case
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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urobolus
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Thats a pretty shitty structure for the real poor players and an excellent structure for the good ones. To increase your edge change your structure.
That may well be true, but it's the way we've been playing for awhile and I doubt I can persuade the core group in control to change; I see what you're saying though.
But I'm wondering for all of you who can get past the crappy structure if there's any advice to be given on any changes in value in terms of starting hands and post-flop play. Is J8s a playable hand in late position, or completely out of the question now? Do I raise with Q10s or KQo, or check/call? I know position and table texture is a big factor, but some general guidelines might help.
For example, are the mid-range two-pairs that I used to be able to call bluffs with or value bet to get good pot odds now less valuable, or more? If the table's 4s 10h 7d, should I still try to call what I perceive to be bluffs with 4h, 7h (although, keep in mind, I doubt I'd play this hand at all in the first place--just using it as an example) and call large re-raises (or re-raise myself), as I've been doing, or should I fold?
That's not the best example in the world, but it's sort of what I'm talking about.
Thanks for the advice, BTW. We scrubs who dare not venture near the casinoes and relegate ourselves to silly home games must ask stupid questions sometimes...[/b]
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It's really hard to give some good advice here. You want to play a lot tighter than you would at a 5 player game. 8 handed you want to play somewhere around 2/3 of the hands you would 5 handed. That said, it all depends. It obviously depends on position. It also depends on your opponents. You want to play way more hands from the CO and Button than you do from UTG. If your table is very loose, say 4-6 of the 8 see the flop, you can loosen up considerably for 1 bet from late position and also raise many suited high card hands. If the table is passive preflop as well as loose, you can limp in pocket pairs and suited connectors from EP. You asked about J8s. Using this hand as an example, against a loose table, it is probably profitable to limp it from the button. Possibly from CO. But this assumes you are a good player postflop ... J8s is not a good hand and even in the best of situations takes good postflop play to make it a winner.
KQ ... 8 handed you can raise this from any position. QTs, if you are good postflop can be worth a limp EP on a loose passive table, and can be raised MP+.
As for 2pair, I think your hand valuation is a little out of wack. Even 10handed, any 2pair is a very strong hand with good board texture. 8 handed it is better. You want to play 2pair aggressively. An example exception is a board with KJT with 2 of them suited and you have JT. Since people like to play high cards, the chances of a higher 2 pair is greater than normal. Any A or Q likely gives someone a straight. Plus there is a flush draw available. You want to play this hand carefully. You may even fold on the flop if the action dictates it (remembering you have 4 outs to the boat though)
Hope this helped. If you are the book reading type, reading Small Stakes Hold'em by Miller et. al. should help a ton.
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Just use the hand chart in SSH for TIGHT games.
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