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Old 12-24-2008, 08:17 PM     Post subject: moves No.4 #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
4 fold, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises , BB 3-bets, Hero.... ?


Turn :
River:


villain 32/25/3.5
I hope that 1st moves are played well, lets continue on the flop.
Hero calls villain's 3-bet.

Turn:
a) i check, if BB bets i call him down.
b) If BB checks behind i will lead the river for sure.

River: after villain's 2nd barreling i dont want to check here and give him free showdown (for his possible TT etc.) so i bet here, if he raises i fold.

Am i thinking right here ?
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Old 12-24-2008, 08:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Just call him down. Either he has you beat or he's drawing. And if the latter he'll prolly bet the river regardless. If he checks ther river to us, bet.
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:10 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Ragnar 4 no like flop raise by hero!
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 12-24-2008, 11:05 PM #4 (permalink)  
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just call him down after the 3bet. he likely has you beat, but the pot is too big now being HU to fold it with TP. just keep it as small as possible and c/r him when your 6 spikes...but, just call a 3bet there, too.

bvb, i am always raising here. in fact, there arent many cards against a 35/25 i wont raise pf. if i connect i can call him down. if i hit a big hand i can raise a turn. if i have sd value, i can call down any board. etc. very profitable against a player that likes to overflex his johnson.

i LOVE the flop c/r here...against THIS villain. that 3bet defines the shit out of his hand. granted, no K is folding, but big K's 3bet, as do two pr and set hands, imo. and, draws and pp's call to see what you do on the turn. if he shows a draw after this action, he is a complete maniac....and i buy the beer.
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Ragnar 4 no like flop raise by hero!
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Old 12-25-2008, 04:36 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Ragnar 4 no like flop raise by hero!
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Don't like the raise on the flop. at all.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 12-25-2008, 06:44 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Ragnar 4 no like flop raise by hero!
lolwut
Don't like the raise on the flop. at all.
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Old 12-25-2008, 05:18 PM #8 (permalink)  

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Ok the guy raises 25% of hands pre-flop so let's say he 3Bets a SB raise with 15% of the hands ...

77+; A7s+; A9o+; KQs, KJ,s, K10s, QJs, Q10s, J10s; KQo; KJo, K10o, QJo

He will probably CBet all this hands after flop and against this range you have 62% equity so you should raise, in my opinion for 2 reasons:

First, for value, you're a favorite against his range
You will gain info about his hand either he 3Bets or not

Now about the turn and river play ... first of all if you call the turn you have to call the river so you really have to define here what you want to do. I'm going to make a mathematical analyses about this spot and I'm not really used to it so if i make some mistake or if my taught process is wrong please warn me.

Possible hands after he 3Bets the flop: J10s; Q10s; AA, AK, KQ, KJ, K10, maybe QQ, JJ, 1010, A9 because of his agressive stats ... against this range:

J10s or Q10s, 2 combinations- 73% win 1BB (he will probably shut down on the river if he misses; 27% loose 2BB

AA, AK, KQ, KJ, K10, 30 combinations - 92% loose 2BB; 8% win 3BB

QQ, JJ, 1010, A9, 30 combinations - 92% win 2BB; 8% loose 2BB

EV = 2/62*(0,73*1-0,27*2)+30/62*(0,08*3-0,92*2)+30/62*(0,92*2-0,08*2) = +0,045BB

I've got to tell you I'm really surprised with this ... i tought it would be EV- to call the turn and the river. But here you go, mathematical, if my calculations are right, it's correct to call both turn and river
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