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02-17-2005, 07:15 PM Post subject: More tales of fishiness (low content)

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Been rather quiet for the last couple thousand hands, then BOOM +$211 in under 100 hands

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with A

, K

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UTG calls, 2 folds, Fnord raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, Fnord caps, Button calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) K

, 3

, K

(3 players)
UTG checks, Fnord checks, Button bets, UTG calls, Fnord raises, Button 3-bets, UTG calls, Fnord calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) 5

(3 players)
UTG checks, Fnord checks, Button bets, UTG calls, Fnord raises, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (17.16 BB) 3

(3 players)
UTG bets, Fnord raises, Button calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 23.16 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 6h Qh (two pair, kings and threes).
Fnord has Ah Kh (full house, kings full of threes).
Button has Qs Qc (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Fnord wins 23.16 BB.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is SB with A

, 6

.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Fnord completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 6

, 6

, T

(5 players)
Fnord bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) J

(4 players)
Fnord bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO raises, Fnord 3-bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls $2 (All-In), CO calls.

River: (14.83 BB) 2

(4 players, 1 all-in)
Fnord bets, UTG calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 17.83 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord has Ad 6d (three of a kind, sixes).
UTG has 9c Jc (two pair, jacks and sixes).
MP1 has 4c 4h (two pair, sixes and fours).
CO has Kh Jd (two pair, jacks and sixes).
Outcome: Fnord wins 17.83 BB.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is BB with J

, K

.
7 folds, SB completes, Fnord raises, SB 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 2

, T

, A

(2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets, SB raises, Fnord 3-bets, SB caps, Fnord calls.

River: (12 BB) 7

(2 players)
SB bets, Fnord raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord has Jd Ks (straight, ace high).
SB has As Kh (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Fnord wins 16 BB.

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02-17-2005, 07:39 PM

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Hand 1 - What the hell was UTG doing?!!??

Hand 3 - Apparantly he hasn't heard the rule about '3 broadway cards and top pair'

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02-17-2005, 07:46 PM

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Please articulate the "3-broadway cards & top pair rule"

Thanks!

I'm assuming it's something like the rather obvious: "Your top pair is almost certainly not the best hand when there are 3-broadways on the board"

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02-17-2005, 07:49 PM

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I'm assuming it's something like the rather obvious: "Your top pair is almost certainly not the best hand when there are 3-broadways on the board"

I wouldn't say certainly. More like, you really shouldn't be capping after your c/r gets 3-bet.

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02-17-2005, 07:59 PM

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HAND 1:

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02-17-2005, 08:06 PM

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Anyone want to explain why the SB's pre-flop play is HORRIBLE in the third hand?

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02-17-2005, 08:14 PM

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Anyone want to explain why the SB's pre-flop play is HORRIBLE in the third hand?

Should have rasied and not just completed and then should have capped. At least I would have...

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02-17-2005, 08:19 PM

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Should have rasied and not just completed and then should have capped. At least I would have...

Why?

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02-17-2005, 08:31 PM

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Fnord, would you have folded preflop on hand 2 if more people had folded to you? I don't yet have a good handle on all the odds, but in general I've been led to believe not to play a hand like that unless just about everyone's in.

Also, I've been meaning to mention that your screen name rules.

Edit: Initially wrote "hand 1." Duh.

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02-17-2005, 08:31 PM

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You raise because you basically give the BB a free flop if you don't. I can only see it costing money when the BB flops 2 pair with 64o on a 4,6,A flop. If he calls the raise with rags then he is the one making the mistake. If he folds fine, if you just complete and the flop is scary you aren't going to get much out of the BB anyway...

You cap the reraise because it might be a blind steal attempt when my SB raise is raised. I know frequently I will 3 bet if smell a blind steal in the BB if I hold a decent hand. Granted a blind steal is an unkown concept to a true fish...

Edit: I missed that UTG limped in. This makes it even more of a must raise as you probably have the best hand. He would have raised with a premium hand.

That's my thoughts on the matter. Feel free to critique...

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02-17-2005, 08:37 PM

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Probably not.

Without a pre-flop raise in a game as pre-flop aggro as the Party 3/6 I'm not woried as much about domination. Also, we had a couple live ones on the table I really want to play marginal hands against.

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02-17-2005, 09:01 PM

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Can you explain hand three to me:

1) Why raise from BB w/KJ and then call the 3 bet as opposed to just checking?

2) Why bet the flop and not check along for the free card? Based on SB's 3 bet, I am putting him/her on at leats an A. If I am SB I would have bet for sure - is this correct?

Thanks in advance.

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02-17-2005, 09:16 PM

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Question: On hand 1, why did you merely call the 3 bet and not cap the flop?

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02-17-2005, 09:22 PM

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Because it is deceptive and makes his hand look weaker than it is getting more money in later.

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02-17-2005, 09:26 PM

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Question: On hand 1, why did you merely call the 3 bet and not cap the flop?

I wondered the same thing. Maybe Fnord was worried about the button holding K3s. But then why would the button 3-bet pre-flop with that kind of hand.

02-17-2005, 09:30 PM

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Because it is deceptive and makes his hand look weaker than it is getting more money in later.

I'm thinking it wouldn't make any difference - if the guy has bet and re-raised, I would assume he would bet the turn regardless.

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02-17-2005, 09:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayce

Because it is deceptive and makes his hand look weaker than it is getting more money in later.

Also, maybe Fnord wanted to keep UTG coming along for the ride? But in retrospect being able to see UTG's play throughout the whole hand suggests that he would have stayed anyways. He was dumb enough to go all the way to the showdown with his Q3 hand in the face of the button and Fnord's bets/raises ... But that's hind-sight!

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02-17-2005, 09:34 PM

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1) Why raise from BB w/KJ and then call the 3 bet as opposed to just checking?

Because KJo is a pretty good hand heads-up with position. If I don't raise here it's too profitable just to complete your SB.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yeldud

2) Why bet the flop and not check along for the free card? Based on SB's 3 bet, I am putting him/her on at leats an A. If I am SB I would have bet for sure - is this correct?

Because I wanted to check behind on the turn unless I caught the nuts. Also if his complete/re-raise was a bluff or baby pocket pair he might get cold feet on an Axx board. I've been repping a weak Ace too.

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02-17-2005, 09:38 PM

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My read wasn't strong enough at the time to make him face 2 big bets cold. I was sucking him in hoping he had something like a small pocket pair or AJo.

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02-17-2005, 11:03 PM

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is UTG with K

, J

.
Fnord raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) J

, 2

, 9

(5 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) J

(5 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (11.66 BB) 2

(4 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls, Button raises, BB folds, Fnord 3-bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 20.66 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord has Ks Js (full house, jacks full of twos).
MP2 has Th Ts (two pair, jacks and tens).
Button has 6h 5h (flush, jack high).
Outcome: Fnord wins 20.66 BB.

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02-17-2005, 11:26 PM

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Hand 2: I'm surprised you gave the flush odds here to call. I woulda check raised with that many people in the pot, i thought sure with that many people somone woulda had a spade. Nice blatent disregard of the odds

Hand 4: Much the same here, other than you got lucky as hell you hit runner runner boat. Any other river heart you were toast.

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02-17-2005, 11:30 PM

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1. There is a good chance that board gets checked through.
2. c/ring would chase out the hands I WANT to call like KJo, A9o, 99, etc. I don't care about the flush draw, he's got good equity and I have outs to redraw.
3. I get a hard-on when someone who read a poker book tries to raise their flush draw in position and I get to 3-bet him with my trips ace kicker.
4. Tx raises this board too, I giggle like a school-girl when I get to 3-bet him.
5. The pot is small.

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02-18-2005, 02:09 AM

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Small pot or not, you were still giving everyone and their brother odds to call you. Either way you look at it you were giving 9-1 odds on a call on the flop, even the lowly gutshot has a draw on you with correct odds. Your hand isnt THAT good. Any Ten beats your for sure, Through the J in for good measure on the river, as well as any spade or other small card could put a flush or straight on the board. With no preflop raises, these hands are all very possible.

This is a hand that needs PROTECTED, too vulnerable to try and build the pot. I would say betting out is NOT the correct play here, especially with more than 4 in the pot.

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02-18-2005, 02:11 AM

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Want to post the hand to 2+2? I'll wager $50 a quality poster says bet out.

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02-18-2005, 02:22 AM

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regardless if you are right or not, if you are so sure you did the right thing you should be able to argue it yourself instead of defering it to 2+2

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02-18-2005, 02:22 AM

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Want to post the hand to 2+2? I'll wager $50 a quality poster says bet out.

You know I can care less on what 2+2 thinks. Keep giving odds to your opponents, they wont be making mistakes and will draw out on you. The combined implied odds are too heavily stacked against you.

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02-18-2005, 02:28 AM

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You know I can care less on what 2+2 thinks.

That's tragically arrogant.

Easy access to some of the world's best LHE players and that's what you have have to say about it...

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02-18-2005, 02:30 AM

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Quote:

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That's tragically arrogant.

almost as bad as....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I'll wager $50

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02-18-2005, 02:30 AM

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Put your money where your mouth is.

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02-18-2005, 02:53 AM

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Easy access to some of the world's best LHE players and that's what you have have to say about it...

Yeah, because a lot of them are fucking brown nosers. They never QUESTION a decision. A lot of them are just posers recirculating the same material the top 5% on the forum post.

Calculate your combined Implied odds. You were giving 9-1 to 4 opponents. There are so many hands out there that could beat your trips, and you gave odds to everyone of them.

And i'm not going to bet you, because I know one of them WOULD say to bet out. Why do you think you say bet out.......

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02-18-2005, 03:01 AM

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Quote:

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Easy access to some of the world's best LHE players and that's what you have have to say about it...

Then we'll agree on a list of top 5% posters. The majority of them bet out here.

Anything but the flush draw or TT is making a horrible mistake calling my bet. 2 outs (or even 3 outs) does not have implied odds to call. There are hands out there that will draw to a pair and I don't want them out of the hand. I'd rather see a bunch of long-shots call bets then get in an extra bet against the flush draw. If they runnner me, then so be it.

However, if I check/raise and miss (very possible given no particular Aggro read in the field and a board that's not easy to hit) I am making a horrible mistake.

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02-18-2005, 03:15 AM

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...c=#Post1755503

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02-18-2005, 03:19 AM

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Anything but the flush draw or TT is making a horrible mistake calling my bet. 2 outs (or even 3 outs) does not have implied odds to call. There are hands out there that will draw to a pair and I don't want them out of the hand. If they runnner me, then so be it.

Tx has odds, any two spades, 79, or 89 all have odds. Trips are very vulnerable, especially with a flush and a straight draw on the board. You should know that. Things would be different if you had lost the pot.

Check raising and missing loses you 2 BB. Giving someone odds that hits, loses you 5.

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02-18-2005, 03:37 AM

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You need to back this up. If this logic holds, we should be calling a lot more flops with missed pocket pairs (2 outs.) Lets see some math. Also those holdings could very well not be out and I would be be missing some very loose calls by trying to punish them.

Quote:

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Check raising and missing loses you 2 BB. Giving someone odds that hits, loses you 5.

Missing with this much equity and call-happy opponents costs me a lot more than 2BB.

Remind me to take free cards from you more often on the flop...

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You need to back this up. Lets see some math.

Well, Tx is a little borderline, but with Top pair he's not folding to your bet (and rightfully shouldn't). In fact, Tx should be raising here. 78 and 89 need 11-1 odds to call, or as low as 8-1 pot odds to call a gutshot with the other amount composing of implied. You gave them 9-1 on the flop. They originally had 11-1 to call the turn, with CO raise and you 3 bet they were still getting 15-2 on a call.

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Remind me to take free cards from you more often on the flop...

Go ahead, I usually wait until the river to raise you anyway.....

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02-18-2005, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1755503&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=&vc=#Post1755503

Not saying i'm not interested, but i doubt it'll have that big of an audience now that it fell below the main page.

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02-18-2005, 04:31 AM

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I don't want to get in the middle of this, especially since I'm not anywhere near experienced as either of you.

Is the suggestion to CR on the flop or the turn or both?

Are there not too many risks associated with attempting a CR?

If you check and they take a free card you've given them infinite odds to draw out on your trips.

Put yourself in the position of being on the flush draw or gut-shot draw .. Wouldn't you take the free card?

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Put yourself in the position of being on the flush draw or gut-shot draw .. Wouldn't you take the free card?

The flush draw would like the free card if he knew what I had. Otherwise, if he's aggro he's going to try to steal this flop as there is a good chance that with 2 spades in hand it helped no one. After betting out he's got to put the c/r from the blind on a six or ten as another flush draw would likely also bet out...

The gutshots are very unlikely holdings.

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02-18-2005, 04:39 AM

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Without any reads, I suggest check raising the flop. Your infinite odds is the costly mistake to which he is referring (that and the lost bets). So theres a risk involved, its the risk of losing bets now versus losing the pot later, and missing bets now if you win the pot later.

I think it depends on the player. I'll try and buy the pot if it is checked around, most players will try and buy it even if they have bottom pair.

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02-18-2005, 04:55 AM

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Jeff can you please explain, for my benefit/learning, why you suggest that CR'ing decreases your chance of losing the pot?

Is it that your argument is you've decreased your chances of winning the pot by giving the draw odds to call if you bet out instead of CR?

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Furthermore, with such a small pot are we more concerned with protecting/winning the pot or extracting the maximum post-flop value?

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02-18-2005, 05:12 AM

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Jeff can you please explain, for my benefit/learning, why you suggest that CR'ing decreases your chance of losing the pot?

You decrease your chance of losing by checkraise because you dont give odds to your opponents, thus, it is a mistake for them to call you. Not much more I can explain.

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Furthermore, with such a small pot are we more concerned with protecting/winning the pot or extracting the maximum post-flop value?

That is the ultimate question. I prefer winning a small pot than losing a big one though.

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Ahh... now we get to a very important point. Is our ultimate goal to win pots or win money? Should we make a play if it gives us less of a chance to win a pot but increases the amount we'll win enough that over the long-run we'll make more money?

That is the flaw in the "Win small vs lose big" argument in a limit game. NL is different because sometimes the implied odds are so huge and even in cash games there is value in protecting your stack (when you're over the max buy-in.)

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02-18-2005, 05:36 AM

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Well, if thats the case, then why ever protect your hand? We lose with sets all the time because flushes beat us, if we just built the pot everytime our variance would be through the roof. And the same argument would exist that you'll win enough big pots over time to cover the losses you make in creating the big pots you lose.

Secondly, The players may very well still call the two bets anyway, but they've made a mistake in doing so. I dont see how giving your opponents odds will help you in the long run. Isnt that the whole point about pot odds?

(BTW, I think Shillx is a fucking retard on 2+2. Last time i looked he was playing .02/.04 HU or something or another. Ive got no respect for that guy and einbert I know little about. 3k posts since October? Gimme a break, i bet 2900 of them are useless)

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02-18-2005, 05:46 AM

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Small pot, lots of equity I'm building a pot every time.

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02-18-2005, 04:45 PM

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Colgin says bet.

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02-18-2005, 10:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Colgin says bet.

Notice how 2 people posted the same thing after Colgin did..... They probably follow him around and just quote everything he said.

Regarding the thread: Colgin mentioned in his reasons for not c/ring only because it wouldn't build the pot and you don't want the opponents to face calling two cold. However, that is why I am check raising, to reduce the playing field. I can only expect that someone in LP would bet out and you WOULD be able to check raise here, so that risk to me is minimal. I check raise to reduce the playing field, not to build the pot.

I agree a check raise wont help the pot grow unless UTG bets, which him being a passive player, is unlikely.

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02-18-2005, 10:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I check raise to reduce the playing field, not to build the pot.

That kind of approach to small pots is costing you profit.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is BB with Q

, 8

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Fnord checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) Q

, A

, Q

(5 players)
Fnord bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) T

(3 players)
Fnord bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

River: (7.16 BB) 4

(3 players)
Fnord bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 10.16 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord has Qs 8h (flush, ace high).
UTG has 2s Ts (two pair, queens and tens).
Button has 6h Kd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Fnord wins 10.16 BB.

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WTF? How anyone of them could call that bet is beyond me.

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02-18-2005, 10:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

WTF? How anyone of them could call that bet is beyond me.

...and if I don't bet they can't make their favorite mistake.

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