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zachaser

08-11-2008, 12:32 AM Post subject: More limit hands from a newb (Stars .25/.50)

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Straight

Join Date: Mar 2007

Posts: 219

All comments are welcome, I will post reads when relevant.

Hand 1
PokerStars Game #19516394403: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/08/10 - 17:08:49 (ET)
Table 'Pollux V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: CANES4EVERX ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Brechmittel5 ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 3: skoaal007 ($18.60 in chips)
Seat 4: AamYokTaar ($10.90 in chips)
Seat 5: WiseOldFox ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 6: zachaser ($18.80 in chips)
AamYokTaar: posts small blind $0.10
WiseOldFox: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [Qh Ks]
zachaser: raises $0.25 to $0.50
CANES4EVERX: calls $0.50
Brechmittel5: calls $0.50
skoaal007: calls $0.50
AamYokTaar: folds
WiseOldFox: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 7c 9s]
zachaser: bets $0.25
CANES4EVERX: calls $0.25
Brechmittel5: calls $0.25
skoaal007: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Qc 7c 9s] [4c]
zachaser: bets $0.50
CANES4EVERX: raises $0.50 to $1<-- Guy had been very passive postflop, so I don't like calling here, but I go ahead because of the odds.
Brechmittel5: folds
skoaal007: folds
zachaser: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Qc 7c 9s 4c] [8c]
zachaser: checks
CANES4EVERX: bets $0.50
zachaser: calls $0.50<-- Can I fold here? Before I called, I would have bet my stack he had a flush. Calling here just seemed like a waste.

Hand 2

PokerStars Game #19516655795: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/08/10 - 17:18:13 (ET)
Table 'Pollux V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: CANES4EVERX ($6.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Brechmittel5 ($10.65 in chips)
Seat 3: skoaal007 ($17.05 in chips)
Seat 4: AamYokTaar ($13.55 in chips)
Seat 5: WiseOldFox ($14.35 in chips)
Seat 6: zachaser ($16.55 in chips)
Brechmittel5: posts small blind $0.10
skoaal007: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [9c Ad]
AamYokTaar: folds
WiseOldFox: calls $0.25
zachaser: raises $0.25 to $0.50
CANES4EVERX: calls $0.50
Brechmittel5: folds
skoaal007: calls $0.25
WiseOldFox: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [7c 3s Tc]
skoaal007: checks
WiseOldFox: checks
zachaser: bets $0.25
CANES4EVERX: calls $0.25
skoaal007: folds
WiseOldFox: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [7c 3s Tc] [5d]
WiseOldFox: checks
zachaser: checks <-- not much else I can do, right? Two loose/passives and no draws except possibly Ace outs.
CANES4EVERX: checks
*** RIVER *** [7c 3s Tc 5d] [6c]
WiseOldFox: checks
zachaser: checks

Hand 3
PokerStars Game #19516676023: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/08/10 - 17:18:56 (ET)
Table 'Pollux V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: CANES4EVERX ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Brechmittel5 ($10.55 in chips)
Seat 3: skoaal007 ($16.55 in chips)
Seat 4: AamYokTaar ($13.55 in chips)
Seat 5: WiseOldFox ($13.60 in chips)
Seat 6: zachaser ($15.80 in chips)
skoaal007: posts small blind $0.10
AamYokTaar: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [9s 9c]
WiseOldFox: calls $0.25
zachaser: raises $0.25 to $0.50
CANES4EVERX: calls $0.50
Brechmittel5: folds
skoaal007: calls $0.40
AamYokTaar: folds
WiseOldFox: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [6s Kh Qh]
skoaal007: checks
WiseOldFox: checks
zachaser: bets $0.25
CANES4EVERX: calls $0.25
skoaal007: folds
WiseOldFox: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [6s Kh Qh] [4c]
WiseOldFox: checks
zachaser: checks
CANES4EVERX: bets $0.50
WiseOldFox: folds
zachaser: calls $0.50<-- Another spot where I wanted to fold. I'm not really playing high enough stakes where people are betting draws and air here right?
*** RIVER *** [6s Kh Qh 4c] [3d]
zachaser: checks
CANES4EVERX: bets $0.50
zachaser: calls $0.50

Hand 4

PokerStars Game #19516217087: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/08/10 - 17:02:25 (ET)
Table 'Richilde II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: zachaser ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 2: omg_Mr_PALA ($23.20 in chips)
Seat 4: PerchJerk ($12.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Go PokeHer ($5.95 in chips)
Seat 6: nais1972 ($26.15 in chips)
Go PokeHer: posts small blind $0.10
nais1972: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [Qh Jc]
zachaser: raises $0.25 to $0.50
omg_Mr_PALA: raises $0.25 to $0.75
PerchJerk: folds
Go PokeHer: folds
nais1972: folds
zachaser: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [7s 6s 2s]
zachaser: checks
omg_Mr_PALA: bets $0.25
zachaser: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [7s 6s 2s] [8c]
zachaser: checks
omg_Mr_PALA: bets $0.50
zachaser: raises $0.50 to $1<-- This and the river are probably spewy, but if I can get him to fold overcards it's ok?
omg_Mr_PALA: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [7s 6s 2s 8c] [7h]
zachaser: bets $0.50

Hand 5
PokerStars Game #19516742501: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/08/10 - 17:21:20 (ET)
Table 'Richilde II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: zachaser ($26 in chips)
Seat 2: omg_Mr_PALA ($14.25 in chips)
Seat 3: HARD_2_GET53 ($18.95 in chips)
Seat 4: bigboy140 ($19.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Go PokeHer ($4.35 in chips)
Seat 6: trouble ($20.30 in chips)
trouble: posts small blind $0.10
zachaser: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachaser [Ac Qh]
omg_Mr_PALA: raises $0.25 to $0.50
HARD_2_GET53: folds
bigboy140: folds
Go PokeHer: folds
trouble: folds
zachaser: raises $0.25 to $0.75
omg_Mr_PALA: raises $0.25 to $1
Betting is capped
zachaser: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Kc 3h 5c]
zachaser: checks
omg_Mr_PALA: bets $0.25
zachaser: raises $0.25 to $0.50
omg_Mr_PALA: raises $0.25 to $0.75
zachaser: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Kc 3h 5c] [Jd]
zachaser: checks
omg_Mr_PALA: bets $0.50
zachaser: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Kc 3h 5c Jd] [2c]
zachaser: checks
omg_Mr_PALA: bets $0.50
zachaser: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
omg_Mr_PALA: shows [4h 6h] (a straight, Deuce to Six) <-- I normally don't show results, but based on this, what am I supposed to do post flop? Guy caps with a suited connector OOP position pre-flop, pretty fishy right?

That's it for now, thanks again folk.

Chase

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Ragnar4

08-11-2008, 03:44 AM

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Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: Billings, Montana

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If you look on the left hand side of the screen. There's a link to a "hand converter" please learn and love the hand converter. I'll be much more likely to give you feedback on your hands.

Welcome to the fourms.

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epic

08-11-2008, 04:22 AM

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Join Date: Jul 2007

Posts: 60

Hand 1: Yes you can fold. You don't have a flush, and you can be up against AQ (with his A possibly being the club). If the flop had come 1 club, and runner-runner clubs came, I might not be as inclined to fold-but his turn aggression sorta tells you your beaten.

Hand 2: Not sure why you raise preflop there-MAYBE if you're suited. I might fire one more time on the turn-after that I'm check/folding.

Hand 3: Without a read, if someone comes out firing on both the turn and river there, you can't figure 3rd pair is good.

Hand 4: If you're going to make a move, do it on the flop, then lead out on the turn-then check it down.

Hand 5: I'm not really sure why you call a third flop bet. You try to make a move, he fires back-you don't have anything. Whether or not you were ahead is irrelevant-without any other read on the guy, you don't have any way of knowing you're ahead-and without any more than a gutshot draw on the turn against his range, I can't fathom going past a missed flop.

arborman

08-11-2008, 08:04 PM

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Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 300

hand converter is your friend.

Hand 1 - you aren't doing yourself any favours raising kqo UTG, unless it is a very tight table. That said, the raise on the flush card is a sign - get out.

Hand 2 - why play this hand at all, never mind raise it. If you are raising A9o in early position you will be losing money. Maybe suited, maybe on some tables. Once played, I don't bother c-betting into that many opponents - someone has a pair- though I might have thrown out a bet on the river after the turn was checked through.

Hand 3 - Is this CANES guy playing every hand? Raising 99 can be a good play, but not if you have a table full of passive callers. And betting out with 2 overcards on the flop is risky. You need to take notes on this opponent - he is either tricky or an idiot, and the difference is crucial.

Hand 4 - Fold preflop. Raising QJo utg is spewy and will cost you chips. Fold turn - raising is insane IMO, without a very specific read. This guy is ahead of you, has been since the beginning, and you aren't improving. Unless you are very sure he is going to fold, you are spewing chips.

Hand 5 - you are out of position, 3betting an UTG raise with an offsuit hand. Call, definitely, but 3betting is asking to be capped while you are most likely behind. You have at best 4 outs on the flop, 7 on the turn. Fold this hand on the flop. And why oh why would you call down with ace high on the river? His results tell me you need to note what he is playing, and get to his left next time you see him - he will cost you money sitting on your immediate right. And don't bother trying to steal blinds from him unless you are ready to out-aggro a maniac and then lose to a hand like this.

Overall, you are aggressive, which is good, but your raising range is far too wide to be profitable over the long run. And you need to let go of hands when you miss.

08-12-2008, 10:05 PM

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h1: call, if he has air here 17% of the time you're fine
arborman: this is 6max, kqo is a monster
h2: fold preflop
h3: check the flop
h4: fold the flop
h5: don't check raise the flop, you didn't hit a pair

DrivingDog

08-13-2008, 01:18 PM

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Full House

Join Date: Jul 2007

Location: UK

Posts: 923

1) If he's that passive what do you think he's donking the turn with here? At best a big club and at worst a flush and you are drawing dead. Most likely the latter. I don't mind calling the turn but I am never calling this river vs. a passive opponent. Expect to lose 95% of the time.

2) Looks ok to me. I like raising the limper and cold caller could have anything. Flop c-bet is standard on this board imo and shutting down after that UI is also standard.

3) Not a fan of this flop c-bet though. You're never folding a better hand besides maybe JJ/TT and with three opponents that board almost always hits someone. Even if it doesn't you can't be confident enough to get full value out of your hand. I just check the flop and hope it checks through. If anyone bets, I'm probably done with this hand.

4) open-raising this UTG is spew imo. Fold the flop. You have nothing.

5) I don't understand the flop play. Why are you 3betting air? Once you're raised just call down if you think he's FOS. You can't justify your play based on what happens after (i.e., when he shows his cards).

All told, 3, 4 and 5 look pretty spewy. This is .25/.50 so you don't need to be making plays all over the place. Just bet your good hands and fold your bad hands. Your opponents will make enough mistakes to let you profit from just playing ABC solid poker.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

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