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LeFou
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11-11-2004, 09:35 PM
Post subject: More HiLo questions
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4-of-a-Kind
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Okay, here's a bit in Sklansky:
you hold
773
"a King brings it in and an Ace raises. A Queen calls cold. You're next to act. What do you do? You get rid of your hand just as quickly as you can...
...it's as if yhe showed you his hole cards. You know there's at least one more Queen there..."
I find that this doesn't hold in the low-stakes online games I've seen. Seems like, often as not, the guy with the Q doesn't know up from down, and thinks a pair of nines with a Q is just wonderful.
So I'm considering this:
1. call everything on third unless you really are hopelessly screwed
2. rewrite the rules, and define 4-card "starting" hands and go from there with actual strategy.
In the few games I've seen, throwing away a 773 is like throwing money out the window.
Your thoughts
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fishstick
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11-12-2004, 12:34 AM
Post subject: Re: More HiLo questions
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Full House
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Originally Posted by LeFou
So I'm considering this:
1. call everything on third unless you really are hopelessly screwed
2. rewrite the rules, and define 4-card "starting" hands and go from there with actual strategy.
In the few games I've seen, throwing away a 773 is like throwing money out the window.
Your thoughts
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i'm not enough of a stud player to really comment on an approach like this, but going back to the sklansky's example that you gave, i would question doing this when you would have to make a cold call (unless you've got great cards).
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the problem with sklansky is that a lot of his books assume the opponents know how to play well.
unless you are sure you are beat, you shouldn't fold a decent hand. in a tight game, this is a fold. in a loose game, you should definitely call.
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koolmoe
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11-12-2004, 01:15 AM
Post subject: Re: More HiLo questions
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Full House
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Originally Posted by LeFou
Okay, here's a bit in Sklansky:
you hold
773
"a King brings it in and an Ace raises. A Queen calls cold. You're next to act. What do you do? You get rid of your hand just as quickly as you can...
...it's as if yhe showed you his hole cards. You know there's at least one more Queen there..."
I find that this doesn't hold in the low-stakes online games I've seen. Seems like, often as not, the guy with the Q doesn't know up from down, and thinks a pair of nines with a Q is just wonderful.
So I'm considering this:
1. call everything on third unless you really are hopelessly screwed
2. rewrite the rules, and define 4-card "starting" hands and go from there with actual strategy.
In the few games I've seen, throwing away a 773 is like throwing money out the window.
Your thoughts
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Fold it. It might be worth playing if you held an A instead of a 3
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LockLow34
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I've been palaying a bit of stud lately. I wouldn't play 377 in a raised pot with AKQ showing. However, if I had (A 7) 7 with KQJ showing and one of them raised, I'd stay in for 1 more card at least. Conversely you CAN stay with 377 in late position with no raise, especially if the pot is multiway. This isn't much different than starting with pocket 7's -> 2's in hold'em. You're definitely looking to make a set.
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LeFou
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4-of-a-Kind
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Sweet. My thread came back to life. That's cool cause I've hit some more stud recently for funzies -- mostly HiLo.
LockLow, what do you think of the idea -- defining 4-card starting hands? Wanna help?
There are SO MANY fish in there that limp any 3 cards that I think it's worth it to see fourth about 75% of the time.
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Yeldud
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One thing I noticed about this post is that people left out the fact that in determing which starting hands to call/raise with is relative to the suits and cards that are live and dead.
For example, in low limit stud people will raise with any ace showing, I have accepted this as fact. If the other 3 queens are dead on the board and no one else is showing a 7 or 3, I may very well call the raise cold, being convinced that the A is not necessarily paired. Caveat - this strategy is only for low limit stud.
With respect to four card starting requirements, that is a tall order to take on as again, it is relative to what has been folded and what is still live, both with respect to cards and suits.
Stud, like Omaha, is about defining your hand relative to how it can improve. Example a starting hand of 789 is a potential monster if no 6, 10, or J are shoing. The same holds true with suits, a three suited hand with no others showing can pay off huge.
Curious - you play ring games online? I have not been able to beat the rake in low limit online, but do very well in MTT stud tourneys.
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If you put all your faith in the river, you are up shit's creek
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LockLow34
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Originally Posted by LeFou
Sweet. My thread came back to life. That's cool cause I've hit some more stud recently for funzies -- mostly HiLo.
LockLow, what do you think of the idea -- defining 4-card starting hands? Wanna help?
There are SO MANY fish in there that limp any 3 cards that I think it's worth it to see fourth about 75% of the time.
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Well, to get to a good 4-card starting hand you have to have a good 3-card starting hand. Basically you want to get a 4 card "starting" hand that includes 2-pair, trips, 4-flush with at most 2 of your suit showing), 4 card straight or 1-gapper, or 1-pair with an ace side-card and no dead outs.
I definitely think that if you can start with a great 4 cards on the cheap (2 small bets on 3rd and 4th streets) you can take down a monster pot. But still, that means starting with 3 good cards. The last thing you want to have happen is have a mediocre 3 card hand (like [69]J 2-suited), catch a 9 or 3-flush on 4th street and be tied onto the hand to the river.
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