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Old 08-09-2005, 11:08 PM     Post subject: More Hands - I slow down too much? #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
7 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 5, A, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB


Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
6 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, Hero caps, CO calls.

Flop: (9 SB) A, J, T (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB


Hand 3:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q.
UTG calls, 5 folds, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 8, A, 7 (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, CO folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (10.50 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB


Hand 4:
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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 9.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J, 5, 6 (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) Q (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (10 BB) T (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB


Hand 5:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) T, J, 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB


Hand 6:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7, K, 5 (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB


Hand 7:
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, T.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) Q, 2, 9 (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) K (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB


Hand 3, bad cold call? Hand 5, really bad cold call?
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Old 08-09-2005, 11:37 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I just fold the flop.
Hand 2: I want to know what's up with the CO. Looks like "I have a big hand but don't just want the blinds" (nevermind that .5/1 players almost never fold them.) Anyway, I'm sooo tempted to 3-bet the flop and fold the river.
Hand 3: 3-bet pre-flop
Hand 4: Cap the flop or raise the turn, someone is hanging onto a big heart and won't fold without seeing a river.
Hand 5: Fold pre-flop.
Hand 6: Cap the flop, lead the turn.
Hand 7: You need to raise this at some point...
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Old 08-09-2005, 11:49 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I might peal one off to see the turn then muck unimproved

Hand 2: I’d 3-bet the flop see what he does, If he bets out again on the turn call, fold the river unimproved

Hand 3: 3-bet PF it help you put him on a hand easier and might be for value

Hand 4: rasie the turn, bet the river if no 4th flush gets there the Ah or Kh will go to the river

Hand 5: I hate your cold call of 3 here, hell I would probably lay it down to a PF raise when a passive player makes it… you are dominated in this hand in my ways QQ, KK, AK, AQs are all likely for the raiser and 3 better…

Hand 6: cap the flop lead the turn…

Hand 7: I think a raise on the turn is best spot because you can tell when you’re ahead and when your behind pretty easy but not raising at all is just missing bets…
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hand 1: i 3bet the flop and go from there. if they cap it or raise me again on the turn i'll dump it.

hand 2: i like.

hand 3: i like

hand 4: i cap the flop and go from there. call down if they bet into me on the turn.

hand 5: fold preflop. or fold the flop. or fold the turn. or fold the river :P

hand 6: cap the flop and go from there.

hand 7: i like
 
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Old 08-10-2005, 04:01 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I might peal one off to see the turn then muck unimproved
With all due respect, that's retarded.
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Old 08-10-2005, 04:12 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I might peal one off to see the turn then muck unimproved
With all due respect, that's retarded.
with all due respect how is it "retarded"... you know what his hand most likely is especially at a damn .5/1 game people play way to many Ax hands... but you figure to hit on of you 2 outs on the turn you figure to win 3 maybe 4bb on the next two streets... you're calling .5bb to try to win 4bb more plus the current pot on the flop when you improve... and cost you nothing more when you miss... I don't see why you shouldn't peal one of on a cheap street? There is 3bb it’s HU you might get him to cap the turn when you hit and maybe even a raise on the river… you have like 3 to 8bb (not likely but against a supper Argo maybe), so you looking at about 4 or 5bb on average when you hit an 0bb when you miss you invest .5bb to win an average of 4 or 5bb when you hit and 0bb when you miss… I’m not seeing how that’s "retarded"? Maybe mucking the flop to the raise is the bettor play but I think trying to spick that K for an extra .5 isn’t always "retarded"…
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Old 08-10-2005, 04:17 AM #7 (permalink)  
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You're worse than 20-1 to hit your 2-outer on the turn.
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Old 08-10-2005, 04:21 AM #8 (permalink)  
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You're worse than 20-1 to hit your 2-outer on the turn.
22:1 actully and i know that... that's not the point... it's a bettor play when the player is overly agressive... but if the player is not like that to muck the flop would be mathmaticly correct...

Honestly I don't give a shit... reads are everything in these situations... I’ll peal one off against a guy that won’t slow down and I can get a cap off both turn and river when I hit... I invest .5bb to try to win like 6 to 8bb and if I miss easy fold... another thing is it shows you won’t muck all the time to .5 a damn bb, against a passive player that's an easy flop fold... I already said once tonight math only gets your ass so far, I’m done talk about it no read fold the flop!
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Old 08-10-2005, 04:29 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Eh, fold it. If you had position id be more inclined to threebet, but not out of position.
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Old 08-10-2005, 08:12 AM #10 (permalink)  
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You're worse than 20-1 to hit your 2-outer on the turn.
22:1 actully and i know that... that's not the point... it's a bettor play when the player is overly agressive... but if the player is not like that to muck the flop would be mathmaticly correct...

Honestly I don't give a shit... reads are everything in these situations... I’ll peal one off against a guy that won’t slow down and I can get a cap off both turn and river when I hit... I invest .5bb to try to win like 6 to 8bb and if I miss easy fold... another thing is it shows you won’t muck all the time to .5 a damn bb, against a passive player that's an easy flop fold... I already said once tonight math only gets your ass so far, I’m done talk about it no read fold the flop!
It's ok to just say "yes, it looks like I was wrong about that" instead of trying to flail around looking for a way to be right.
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:11 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I now see the value of not posting the results.

Hand 1, The guy had pocket aces.

Hand 2, The guy was bluffing the whole way with K3.. He only had bottom pair.

So I guess in the future I should be dropping KK (or any other premium pocket pair) heads up when an ace (overcard) hits the board and I get raised on the flop with no backdoor... Although I'm almost inclined to call it down to someone bluffing middle/bottom pair just because it's heads up and they think they can push me out.
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Old 08-10-2005, 05:45 PM #12 (permalink)  
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with all due respect how is it "retarded"
You should only continue if you there is a chance that you are ahead, in which case you must see a showdown.

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I already said once tonight math only gets your ass so far
Ironically, by saying you will check/fold if you don't improve, you've turned it into a pure math problem.

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Old 08-10-2005, 06:19 PM #13 (permalink)  
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hand 2: id go as far as capping the flop with this, more often than not, CO has a hand like AK here...and with the K of spades in your hand, you have a great draw to beat any ace he may have caught. The only hand i really fear from him is AA (maybe JJ but im thinking not, and most .5/1 players wont 3-bet TT) ...but again, that spade is huge for you unless the board pairs.

hand 7: I raise the flop, and definitley raise the turn...if you get 3-bet on the turn, thats when you slow down. But even then, you're going to showdown unless a 4th spade apears on the river.
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noob here, so if I post something that doesn't make sense, don't kill me (but correct me).

Hand 1: I fold the flop without a really good read on BB. There's no real draw (except a gut-shot) that BB is raising with, so most of the time he/she should have an ace or a set. With a fairly small pot, I don't think you have the implied odds to draw to a 2-outer.
Hand 2: I like 3-betting the flop. Against a dry ace, you have 9 outs for a nut flush, another 3 outs for a nut straight, and since it's heads-up a K might be good (if not, it should give you some re-draws). And that's assuming you don't have the best hand. If villain had limp-raised UTG-ish, I might be scared of AA here, but IMO a limp-raise from the CO just means they have a mediocre hand and decided they don't like being pushed around. I'm kinda surprised you decided to call the river.
Hand 3: I used to like your line, but I'm beginning to see the benefits of 3-betting with AQ here.
Hand 4: Cap the flop. Fail that, either check-raise or lead the turn. Given your line, I find it hard not to 3-bet the river. Seems to me like Mp1 made a straight or 2 pair.
Hand 5: Yeah fold pre-flop.
Hand 6: Cap flop, lead turn, call down from there.
Hand 7: You made your hand...twice, yet you never raised. Were you hoping for SB to overcall on the river?

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noob here, so if I post something that doesn't make sense, don't kill me (but correct me).

Hand 1: I fold the flop without a really good read on BB. There's no real draw (except a gut-shot) that BB is raising with, so most of the time he/she should have an ace or a set. With a fairly small pot, I don't think you have the implied odds to draw to a 2-outer.
Hand 2: I like 3-betting the flop. Against a dry ace, you have 9 outs for a nut flush, another 3 outs for a nut straight, and since it's heads-up a K might be good (if not, it should give you some re-draws). And that's assuming you don't have the best hand. If villain had limp-raised UTG-ish, I might be scared of AA here, but IMO a limp-raise from the CO just means they have a mediocre hand and decided they don't like being pushed around. I'm kinda surprised you decided to call the river.
Hand 3: I used to like your line, but I'm beginning to see the benefits of 3-betting with AQ here.
Hand 4: Cap the flop. Fail that, either check-raise or lead the turn. Given your line, I find it hard not to 3-bet the river. Seems to me like Mp1 made a straight or 2 pair.
Hand 5: Yeah fold pre-flop.
Hand 6: Cap flop, lead turn, call down from there.
Hand 7: You made your hand...twice, yet you never raised. Were you hoping for SB to overcall on the river?

BTW I really appreciate you numbering your hands. Makes it much easier to know which hand(s) people are commenting on.
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noob here, so if I post something that doesn't make sense, don't kill me (but correct me).

Hand 1: I fold the flop without a really good read on BB. There's no real draw (except a gut-shot) that BB is raising with, so most of the time he/she should have an ace or a set. With a fairly small pot, I don't think you have the implied odds to draw to a 2-outer.
Hand 2: I like 3-betting the flop. Against a dry ace, you have 9 outs for a nut flush, another 3 outs for a nut straight, and since it's heads-up a K might be good (if not, it should give you some re-draws). And that's assuming you don't have the best hand. If villain had limp-raised UTG-ish, I might be scared of AA here, but IMO a limp-raise from the CO just means they have a mediocre hand and decided they don't like being pushed around. I'm kinda surprised you decided to call the river.
Hand 3: I used to like your line, but I'm beginning to see the benefits of 3-betting with AQ here.
Hand 4: Cap the flop. Fail that, either check-raise or lead the turn. Given your line, I find it hard not to 3-bet the river. Seems to me like Mp1 made a straight or 2 pair.
Hand 5: Yeah fold pre-flop.
Hand 6: Cap flop, lead turn, call down from there.
Hand 7: You made your hand...twice, yet you never raised. Were you hoping for SB to overcall on the river?

BTW I really appreciate you numbering your hands. Makes it much easier to know which hand(s) people are commenting on.
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