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Anosmic

11-06-2006, 07:29 PM Post subject: More $2/4 hands

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I really appreciated the input on the last few hands and so I wanted to post some more.

The swings are rather disconcerting, but I have the feeling I'm contributing to the swings with my post-flop play.

Anyway, no real reads given as I don't trust my reads at the moment so I won't put in any needless distraction.

Hand 1:

Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($2/$4)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed

StacksSB: $83.33
BB: $164.88
UTG: $72.50
CO: $158.75
Hero: $172.50

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q

UTG raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls,

Flop:(7.5SB) 7

(2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls,

Turn:(9.75BB) J

(2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls,

River:(11.75BB) Q

(2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls,
Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Hand 2
Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($2/$4)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed

StacksCO: $38.12
BTN: $113.25
SB: $118.79
BB: $173.50
Hero: $170.50
UTG+1: $131.66

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with J

Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls,

Flop:(4.5SB) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls,

Turn:(4.25BB) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls,

River:(8.25BB) J

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls,
Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Hand 3
Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($2/$4)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed

StacksSB: $93.50
BB: $166.37
UTG: $113
CO: $120
Hero: $71

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with T

UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls,

Flop:(7.5SB) 2

(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls,

Turn:(5.75BB) Q

(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls,

River:(9.75BB) 7

(3 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls,
Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Hand 4
Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($2/$4)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed

StacksUTG+1: $57
CO: $85
BTN: $95
SB: $192.14
BB: $147.25
Hero: $61.75

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with A

Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN calls, SB folds, BB folds,

Flop:(5.5SB) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls,

Turn:(4.75BB) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls,

River:(6.75BB) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero calls,
Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Hand 5
Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($2/$4)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed

StacksSB: $12.50
BB: $126.75
UTG: $70.21
Hero: $195.25
CO: $54.38
BTN: $35.12

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q

UTG folds, Hero raises, CO calls, BTN folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero 4-bets, CO calls, SB calls,

Flop:(13SB) 5

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB calls,

Turn:(9.5BB) Q

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB calls and is all-in,

River:(12.5BB) 2

(3 players 1 all-ins)
Hero bets, CO folds,
Final Pot: 13.5 BB

Hand 6
Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($2/$4)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed

StacksSB: $8.49
BB: $81.62
UTG: $226
Hero: $163.25
BTN: $137.92

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with J

UTG folds, Hero raises, BTN folds, SB folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls,

Flop:(6.5SB) 7

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls,

Turn:(5.25BB) K

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero 4-bets, BB calls,

River:(13.25BB) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks,
Final Pot: 13.25 BB

This check is one of my recurring problems. I think "oh, we've got the same hand. Why pay more rake?".

STOOOOOOOOOPID!
Feel free to berate me in hopes that I'll stop this fraking nonsense.

Hand 7
Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($2/$4)
Converted by FTRConv
5-handed

StacksSB: $194.75
BB: $78.33
UTG: $170.63
CO: $146.50
Hero: $155.75

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 5

UTG folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks,

Flop:(3SB) 2

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds,

Turn:(3.5BB) 3

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls,

River:(7.5BB) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls,
Final Pot: 9.5 BB

Hand 8
Limit Hold'em CryptoLogic ($2/$4)
Converted by FTRConv
6-handed

StacksBB: $193
UTG: $97.33
UTG+1: $170.63
CO: $92.75
BTN: $143.50
Hero: $143.50

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K

UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls,

Flop:(6SB) Q

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls,

Turn:(7BB) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls,

River:(9BB) T

(2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls,
Final Pot: 11 BB

Blah blah Op Blah blah

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Ltrain

11-06-2006, 08:48 PM

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They look fine to me except hand 3; fold preflop. Even if UTG is a maniac, K,10o is not an isolation hand nor does it play well multiway.

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elipsesjeff

11-06-2006, 08:48 PM

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Hand 1: I so want to raise the river here.

Hand 2: If I had a read on a guy I could fold this turn.

Hand 3: Fold Preflop. Postflop is fine.

Hand 4: Standard

Hand 5: Why are you capping preflop? Postflop is fine.

Hand 6: Rake is capped at $3 in most online game, some even $2. Worrying about paying the extra .5 in rake at a risk of 1BB is well, retarded.

Hand 7: Never open limp the button. Raise flop. Rest is standard.

Hand 8: Checkraise does nothing 3 handed postflop, especially after raising preflop.

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bigspenda73

11-06-2006, 11:40 PM

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Learn how to fold to a turn c/r
Make sure you are gettin proper odds on those gutshots
Bet the river when you are the last to act and you have the nuts

bigspenda73

11-07-2006, 07:47 AM

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OK, now that I have time to analyze your plays thoroughly, here we go:

Hand 1:
I don't like the flop raise, you have to ask yourself what hand would donk this flop and then be scared by your raise enough to give you a free river/cheap showdown. You are rarely ever ahead here and you can be miles behind. To me, his play repped a pocket pair from 88-QQ, however, I don't know if 88-TT donk this turn. As played I probably just flat call the river. You have to look at it this way, if villain was overplaying a midpair you got the same out of him as you would had he finally slowed down. I don't mind the passive turn/river line

Hand 2:
Looks fishy, normally this line means a pretty large hand, I might get away from this on the turn. The river screws you and forces you to call, I dont see a raise here and I don't think you can fold the river

Hand 3: Fine, I would almost check behind the turn b/c Im wondering what I would beat at the moment.

Hand 4: I raise the river

Hand 5: Anyone like a c/r on the river here trying to induce a missed draw to bluff at it? Feels like a missed draw

Hand 6: When he doesn't donk the river you can assume you do not share the same hand. No way am I missing a bet here, if he raises I would not 3bet, however, at least get 1 bet in w/ the nuts.

Hand 7: Really skinny on the odds, however, a double gutter is much more well disguised than an OESD. You are more likely to get paid to the fullest hitting one of these draws.

Hand 8: Im playing this river passively by c/c. I think you get a worser hand to bet into you here and you cannot be raised by a T. I would not want to bet this river and get raised, cuz Id prolly have to lay it down

Anosmic

11-09-2006, 07:12 PM

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Hand 5: Why are you capping preflop? Postflop is fine.

Hand 6: Rake is capped at $3 in most online game, some even $2. Worrying about paying the extra .5 in rake at a risk of 1BB is well, retarded.

Hand 7: Never open limp the button. Raise flop. Rest is standard.

Hand 8: Checkraise does nothing 3 handed postflop, especially after raising preflop.

Appreciate the comments (from everyone).

Hand 5:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hypermegachi

Powerhouse hands. AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ...these are all hands you should try to raise, reraise, and cap preflop, depending on what type of players your opponents are.

Is this mis-interpreting?

Hand 6:
Yes. I am an idjit.

Hand 7:
I don't open limp. I did this to vary things a little. I figure the odd open-limp makes my open-raises seem more powerful??

Hand 8:
Really? Bah. I keep trying to apply these ideas I learned and getting it wrong.
Does this not protect my hand somewhat by forcing BB to fold a few extra hands rather than cold-call?

Blah blah Op Blah blah

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StageWhisper

11-09-2006, 07:48 PM Post subject: Re: More $2/4 hands

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anosmic

This check is one of my recurring problems. I think "oh, we've got the same hand. Why pay more rake?".

This same thing happened to me the other day in a live game, where rake is much more of a concern. I was holding AQ on a Q99Q2 board. I thought it was ovious I was holding a Q, so when she 3 bet me on the river I just assumed she either had a Q as well or pocket 9s, so I just called. Nope. Just a 9. Ram and Jam and never underestimate the stupidity of some.

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