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Tripps7
Old 05-03-2005, 04:13 PM     Post subject: Missing Value Bets? #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 8, 7, Q (5 players)

SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 5 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO folds, SB folds.

River: (12 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 12 BB


Hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 5 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A, Q, 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB


I don't like my river check in hand 1. Should I be fine with my check in hand 2? I can see someone calling down with a Q here...
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Old 05-03-2005, 04:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1: looks good

hand 2: pop another bet on the river, why would someone call down with a Q when you raised preflop UTG, if i was BB i would have folded the flop assuming you have AA KK AK AQ, what else could you possibly raise with UTG ?

which im probably wrong.. i will continue to lead with a high PP until my opponent plays back with me.. if villan has a Q, WTF!? why do people call down with middle pair, it hardly accomplishes anything but give money to the guy who had top pair.
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Old 05-03-2005, 04:32 PM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 1: looks good

hand 2: pop another bet on the river, why would someone call down with a Q when you raised preflop UTG, if i was BB i would have folded the flop assuming you have AA KK AK AQ, what else could you possibly raise with UTG ?

which im probably wrong.. i will continue to lead with a high PP until my opponent plays back with me.. if villan has a Q, WTF!? why do people call down with middle pair, it hardly accomplishes anything but give money to the guy who had top pair.
Cause passive fish will call raises with A rag no matter where the raise comes from. They will also call with KQ, Q10, QJ. I see them call down 2nd pair with A ace on the board all the time.

Hand 1 I should have thrown in a river bet...
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Old 05-03-2005, 04:41 PM #4 (permalink)  
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hand 1: looks good

hand 2: pop another bet on the river, why would someone call down with a Q when you raised preflop UTG, if i was BB i would have folded the flop assuming you have AA KK AK AQ, what else could you possibly raise with UTG ?

which im probably wrong.. i will continue to lead with a high PP until my opponent plays back with me.. if villan has a Q, WTF!? why do people call down with middle pair, it hardly accomplishes anything but give money to the guy who had top pair.
Cause passive fish will call raises with A rag no matter where the raise comes from. They will also call with KQ, Q10, QJ. I see them call down 2nd pair with A ace on the board all the time.

Hand 1 I should have thrown in a river bet...
i think this is why HEFAP doesnt work at the 2/4
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Old 05-03-2005, 05:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Sometimes I just check/fold hand 2 on the flop.
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