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08-05-2005, 02:00 PM Post subject: Missed two BIG draws: Comments please?

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Join Date: Apr 2005

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Needed a 3, a diamond, or an 8 (non-nut but would have won me the hand anyways...)

PokerStars Game #2267706374: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/08/05 - 09:51:21 (ET)
Table 'Chaldene' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: skipper57 ($24 in chips)
Seat 3: mauritz ($6 in chips)
Seat 4: chub2000 ($4.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Hu Zhen ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 6: vindogxx ($14.05 in chips)
Seat 7: jj_frap ($26.85 in chips)
Seat 8: dockersmith ($21.95 in chips)
Seat 9: FlyingSumo ($24 in chips)
jj_frap: posts small blind $0.10
dockersmith: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jj_frap [Kd 5h Qd 7d]
FlyingSumo: calls $0.25
skipper57: folds
mauritz: folds
chub2000: calls $0.25
Hu Zhen: calls $0.25
vindogxx: calls $0.25
jj_frap: calls $0.15
dockersmith: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad 4c 2d]
jj_frap: bets $1.45
dockersmith: folds
FlyingSumo: calls $1.45
chub2000: raises $1.45 to $2.90
Hu Zhen: calls $2.90
vindogxx: folds
jj_frap: calls $1.45
FlyingSumo: calls $1.45
*** TURN *** [Ad 4c 2d] [6s]
jj_frap: bets $12.45
FlyingSumo: folds
chub2000: calls $0.90 and is all-in
Hu Zhen: calls $11.60 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Ad 4c 2d 6s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jj_frap: shows [Kd 5h Qd 7d] (a pair of Kings)
Hu Zhen: shows [3s 5c Qs 5s] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
Hu Zhen collected $20.35 from side pot
chub2000: mucks hand
chub2000 leaves the table
Hu Zhen collected $15.05 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $37.20 Main pot $15.05. Side pot $20.35. | Rake $1.80
Board [Ad 4c 2d 6s Ks]
Seat 1: skipper57 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mauritz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: chub2000 mucked [9c 9h Ah 3h]
Seat 5: Hu Zhen showed [3s 5c Qs 5s] and won ($35.40) with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 6: vindogxx (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: jj_frap (small blind) showed [Kd 5h Qd 7d] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: dockersmith (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: FlyingSumo folded on the Turn

Needed a K, a 2, or a diamond.

Would have won had he not hit his straight, but the pot was big enough that I had to call in case he was bluffing.

PokerStars Game #2267715801: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/08/05 - 09:54:56 (ET)
Table 'Chaldene' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: skipper57 ($24.35 in chips)
Seat 3: mauritz ($6 in chips)
Seat 5: Hu Zhen ($35.90 in chips)
Seat 6: vindogxx ($13.80 in chips)
Seat 7: jj_frap ($12.10 in chips)
Seat 8: dockersmith ($21.20 in chips)
Seat 9: FlyingSumo ($20.50 in chips)
skipper57: posts small blind $0.10
mauritz: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jj_frap [8s Ks 2h 8c]
Hu Zhen: calls $0.25
vindogxx: calls $0.25
jj_frap: calls $0.25
dockersmith: folds
FlyingSumo: folds
skipper57: calls $0.15
mauritz: checks
*** FLOP *** [3d As 2s]
skipper57: checks
mauritz: checks
Hu Zhen: checks
vindogxx: bets $0.50
jj_frap: raises $2.20 to $2.70
skipper57: folds
mauritz: folds
Hu Zhen: folds
vindogxx: calls $2.20
*** TURN *** [3d As 2s] [Kc]
vindogxx: checks
jj_frap: bets $6.35
vindogxx: calls $6.35
*** RIVER *** [3d As 2s Kc] [Jh]
vindogxx: bets $4.50 and is all-in
jj_frap: calls $2.80 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vindogxx: shows [Ad Td 9h Qs] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
jj_frap: shows [8s Ks 2h 8c] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
vindogxx collected $23.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24.95 | Rake $1.20
Board [3d As 2s Kc Jh]
Seat 1: skipper57 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: mauritz (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Hu Zhen folded on the Flop
Seat 6: vindogxx showed [Ad Td 9h Qs] and won ($23.75) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: jj_frap showed [8s Ks 2h 8c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces
Seat 8: dockersmith folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: FlyingSumo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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08-06-2005, 12:33 AM

#2 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Feb 2004

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Posts: 1,367

Try running your hand through twodimes.net You will see if you really had the odds of doing what you did. Granted an open ended straight+flush is general 18 outs but in omaha it can be tainted. and you had one of the outs in your hand so really your looking at best 12 out(rough estimate) 12/46= may not be that great if ur going up against a made hand and a set.

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08-10-2005, 08:30 PM

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Flush

Join Date: Jul 2005

Location: Reraising you from the button

Posts: 250

why do you bet and raise your draws? You could have gotten out of those hands without losing hardly anything.

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