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Shark Bait

08-05-2005, 06:14 AM Post subject: Missed flop hands

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I think my biggest problem right now is what to do when I've missed the flop and have 2 over cards.

I'm not looking for an individual analysis of each hand here, just some sort of idea of what to do in situations like these.

I can bet the flop and check/fold the turn and river:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K

, A

.
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (9.40 SB) T

, 5

, 9

(4 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) 8

(4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

River: (6.70 BB) 8

(4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, Button folds, Hero folds, MP2 3-bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, Q

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 6 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 6

, 8

, 3

(3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) J

(3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (5.20 BB) T

(3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.20 BB

Or I can bet the flop and turn and dump it on the river if needed:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, A

.
4 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 8

, 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.20 BB) Q

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, Q

.
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 3

, T

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5.70 BB) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

I can check it through:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, Q

.
Hero calls, 4 folds, MP3 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 3

, 4

, 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: (3.70 BB) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 3.70 BB

I guess my point here is that it seems like the few times that these hands hit on the turn and river do not even come close to making up for the times that they don't.

So should I be playing these over cards as aggressive as I have been? Should I be check/calling 1 small bet on the flop and then dumping them if they miss again? Because that's what I'm thinking about doing.

I feel I'm losing a LOT on hands like these. AQo and AJo are some of my biggest losers.

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TylerK

08-05-2005, 11:50 AM

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You need to consider your position, the number of opponents, and the texture of the flop. There's unfortunately no cookie cutter way to play missed overcards.

Hand 1: You are first to act with 3 cold-callers and you have no backdoor draws (except maybe a weird straight draw). I don't see any problem in check/calling in this spot, and that's only for pot odds.

Hand 2: Completely different situation. It's just you with position on 2 EP limpers who have shown no strength so far. The flop is ragged and unlikely to have hit anyone. When they check to you on the flop, a bet will win the pot more than often enough...this is a must bet situation. I'm also betting any turn card if it gets checked to me again. All of your outs are probably enough to win the pot at showdown if it comes to that.

Hand 3: This is more of a blind steal/blind defens situation, even though you have a legitimate hand.

Hand 4: I probably play it the same, but it's just a tough spot no matter how you look at it. You don't want to give up the initiative to a cold-caller, but you're out of position with ace high. I would slow down if the flop was at all coordinated, but it was pretty raggy. I'm not sure what to make of the button cold-call, but I think you'll see this too rarely to worry much about it.

Hand 5: Raise preflop, but other than that it's fine. I assume you're check/folding a non-diamond turn.

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Nehmer

08-05-2005, 02:51 PM

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Heads up and out of position with AK/AQ, I will typically bet the flop and turn and if they've called to that point I will usually check/call the river. I have found that if you check to your opponent on the river in a situation like this, they will bet 95+% of the time no matter what cards they are holding, so you will catch a lot of people bluffing with missed draws or overcards of some sort. Then you also don't have to worry about being raised on the river.

rubixstreub

08-05-2005, 03:17 PM

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You guys raise preflop with KQo UTG at this level? Hmmm, this is a leak for me if that's a hard rule.

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sinky

08-05-2005, 03:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubix13

You guys raise preflop with KQo UTG at this level? Hmmm, this is a leak for me if that's a hard rule.

Have just completed SSH. I'm sure at one point it mentioned that KQo was one of those hands where there is very little difference in EV between limping and raising.

08-06-2005, 01:28 AM

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Well, you would only limp from early position if you're willing to call a raise from someone else preflop. So if you're willing to call, why not raise? There's that 1% chance that everyone folds.

Shark Bait

08-06-2005, 11:36 AM

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Good topic about the KQo UTG. I've gotten that a few times since you guys brought that up.

A while I ago I heard KQo is one of the few hands you may limp UTG. But since you guys brought it up, I've been raising it. I think I lost with it every time, but I'm still leaning towards raising being the better choice.

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08-07-2005, 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

A while I ago I heard KQo is one of the few hands you may limp UTG. But since you guys brought it up, I've been raising it. I think I lost with it every time, but I'm still leaning towards raising being the better choice.

Depends on table texture. At a semi-TAggy or mixed game I open for a raise. If it's a loose/passive wonder-land I'm opening limping KQ/AJ.

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