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drmcboy
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06-21-2009, 05:57 AM
Post subject: middle set spot
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DrButtInski
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Both Vs are unknown before tonight. I am def most aggresive at the table but it's been little pots, one time I played a big pot I had the goods. both seem standard weak tightish
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (UTG) ($286.40)
MP ($83.05)
CO ($224.05)
Button ($210.90)
SB ($201)
BB ($376)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8 , 8 , Q, J
Hero bets $6, MP calls $6, 1 fold, Button calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4
Flop: ($25) 8, 3, K (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, MP calls $20, Button raises to $80, 1 fold,
Hero
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bigspenda73
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what does his raise-size tell you?
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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he's hoping for 3 way action?
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bigspenda73
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how about timing, was it quick, in rhythm, did he hit use his timebank
also is PF standard for you, it's a fold for me
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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it's close, I would fold QJ77 and probably fold without the bonus suit. depends a lot on comfort level at table
I remember no timebank, not sure beside that on the timing
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bigspenda73
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btw, I really have no idea wtf to do here, torn between just shipping it, calling and leading a blank turn, folding a club turn, or bluffing a club turn
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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so I'm guessing you hate my fold? :P
At the time I think I was thinking that BU would not do this with a draw since surely MP has clubs also and it seemed insane with K8. But looking back if he thinks I'm just c betting and he has the nut draw that makes it a perfect time to raise.
in general I've been trying not to felt middle set or top two without reads or a decent back up draw, esp three way. Have given up some equity for sure but also have dodged some top sets. Policy is still in the evaluation stage. I would often check here but was hoping MP would shove over.
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bigspenda73
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meh I just expect him to full-pot KKK, perhaps I'm getting leveled
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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I think I leveled myself, I would pretty much never c bet here OOP with nothing but I don't know why I think he would know that. or i may just be being resulted.
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sk8r_daniel
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I'm trying to get a better feel of the situation by comparing it to a Holdem situation.
Is middle set here kind of like having Top pair top kicker in holde'm?
My 2 cents:
He could be raising 33, KK, K8, and nut club draws. Given reads it seems like most of his range is KK. If I had 33 or Clubs I may raise a bit more to shut out draws/increase bluff%. Or possibly just call and re-evaluate on the turn.
As for now...I would probably go into check-call mode and lose alot of money. At these levels could you even bluff a turned club against a guy with top set?? I would never try this at microstakes. And it seems like he would atleast peel off the turn, leaving you to bluff a non paired board on the river.
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salsa4ever
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without a rock solid read + no PFR + 6 handed + 105 big blind deep only + pretty bloated pot...
= I think I have to shut my eyes (very important this bit) and ship it in. Either shove it or min raise it and shove any turn.
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