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Old 12-28-2007, 10:37 PM     Post subject: Micro PLO8 Starting hands list. #1 (permalink)  
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Ok. I started playing some PLO8 trying to be a student of all games "poker".

I did some research and found some "Starting hand lists" They all seem very conservative.
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1. A-A-2-x
2. A-A-3-x
3. A-2-3-x
4. A-2-4-x
5. A-2-x-x
6. A-3-4-x
7. A-A-x-x
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1. A-A-2-3 Double-suited
2. A-A-2-4 Double-suited
3. A-A-2-3 Suited
4. A-A-2-5 Double-suited
5. A-A-2-4 Suited
6. A-A-3-4 Double-suited
7. A-A-2-3 Non-suited
8. A-A-2-2 Double-suited
9. A-A-3-5 Double-suited
10. A-A-2-6 Double-suited


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A-A-2-x
A-A-3-x
A-A-4-5
A-2-3-x
A-2-K-K
A-2-Q-Q
A-2-J-J
A-3-4-5
A-A-x-x
A-2-K-Q
A-2-K-J
A-2-x-x (suited Ace)
A-3-K-K
A-3-4-x
2-3-4-5 (fold if there is no Ace on the flop.)
J-Q-K-A
T-J-Q-K
K-K-Q-J
Q-J-T-9
2-3-4-x (fold if there is no Ace on the flop).
Any four cards between a Ten and an Ace.

Is that it? Or is this a very restrictive "Beginners" list? Any other hands worth strong consideration?
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 12-28-2007, 10:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Also

What about a hand that is all only 1 suit. I know in Omaha High, you should avoid that hand. Also hands like AAAA, and KKKK should never be played. Same deal here?
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:41 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 That list is hands you would happily 3bet in multiway pots and hope to get callers (for most of it).

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What about a hand that is all only 1 suit. I know in Omaha High, you should avoid that hand. Also hands like AAAA, and KKKK should never be played. Same deal here?
Do you understand why AAAA is so bad? 1 suited isn't terrible, you just shouldn't be as excited and think it makes your hand strong.
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Old 12-29-2007, 02:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 AAAA is actually not so bad in 08 against a very tight table.

Think about it
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AAAA is actually not so bad in 08 against a very tight table.

Think about it
But..... Very tight table at the micro level? That's a very rare beastie, indeed.
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Old 12-30-2007, 05:15 AM #6 (permalink)  
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starting hand charts in omaha are pretty much doomed to fail because it is inconsistent with the central principle of omaha8: it's a game of flop features.

Think of it this way:

The best hand in the game is undoubtedly AA23ds.

As you get further and further away from this, your hand gets weaker and weaker.

Take away the 3. AA2xDS still a mighty hand. Take away the suits now. AA2x unsuited still a very good one. Take away an ace, a deuce, and suitedness. A3xx - unplayable unless you have decent sidecards. Take away only the A2: A3xxDS: becomes a semi-strong hand again.

The worst hands I'll play generally is A35x unsuited and A45x with an Ace Suited.

Any starting hand advice that doesn't take suits into account is less than worthless also.
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Ok... What about paired hands for Set value? It seems to me that the median hand is a high 2 pair. Therefore Set value seems to still be a darn good hand?

I found myself liking High Sets, and hating low sets.

I understand that hands like 5678 are stupid because you're never going to scoop the pot. BUT High hands seem pretty retarded too unless the cards come all high.

Also. Playing for half with 3 players in the pot? Time go get aggressive? Say you have an A2 low, with a 3 backing it up? Should you raise in position all the time with 2 callers? How about willingness to shove?

I feel like I should be almost stupid aggressive in this situation unless I'm certain I'm being Quartered, and even if I am, the amount of money I lose is not a lot versus Fold Equity created with aggression.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:47 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 Starting hands: I am not a great fan of starting hands charts in this game, if you are a beginner I think the point count system is a good method to give you an idea of what is a good/decent/unplayable starting hand.


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Ok... What about paired hands for Set value? It seems to me that the median hand is a high 2 pair. Therefore Set value seems to still be a darn good hand?

I found myself liking High Sets, and hating low sets.
Set is not a great hand in this game, you really want to hit a boat.
High pair by itself is not a good enough reason to get involved in a hand, you want additional features with your hand.
KK23 double suited is an OK hand, KKJ5 rainbow is junk.

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I understand that hands like 5678 are stupid because you're never going to scoop the pot. BUT High hands seem pretty retarded too unless the cards come all high.
5678 is a terrible hand, when I look at high only hand in a full table I want all cards to be T and up with either 2 suites or a suite and a pair.

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Also. Playing for half with 3 players in the pot? Time go get aggressive? Say you have an A2 low, with a 3 backing it up? Should you raise in position all the time with 2 callers? How about willingness to shove?

I feel like I should be almost stupid aggressive in this situation unless I'm certain I'm being Quartered, and even if I am, the amount of money I lose is not a lot versus Fold Equity created with aggression.
Playing for half with 3 players in the pot has a lot to do with which half you are chasing and reads.

If you are going for the high hand and it is not a hand that can be easily split (i.e str8), but something like the nut flush or a good boat then feel free to jam it. If you have the high hand but it can easily be counterfeighted by the river play much more carefully.

If you have a lock low on the hand in a 3 way pot you have to ask yourself two questions:
1. What are my chances of forcing one or two of my opponents out of the hand
2. Do I have a chance to pick up the high hand ?

For example assume it is 3 way and the board is 358K one suite, if you have A299 I would play it carefully, if you have A299 with a draw to the nut flush you can be more agressive, if you have A24K with nut flush draw you can be very aggressive
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