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vordude
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12-30-2005, 12:43 PM
Post subject: micro limit hand
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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3rd hand at the table, Know nothing but things seem pretty loose preflop.
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , K. MP1 posts a blind of $0.05.
1 fold, UTG+1 / calls, 1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB =(SB)/ completes, BB checks.
Flop: (5 SB) J , 4 , 9 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Turn: (5 BB) 6 (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.
Don't know what SB was betting here, thought i was still ahead.
River: (15 BB) 5 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.
Worried about a checkraise from someone chasing backdoor flush, I had Position should I have lead the river with top pair here?
Final Pot: 15 BB
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Tripps7
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I raise the flop and bet the turn. I am thinking I need to knock out the blinds as your hand is very vunerable to redraws. I think the SB is a retard here if he hit his flush and is going for a checkraise. He's better off betting out or going for an overcall on your bet. I bet the river.
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Tripps7
I raise the flop and bet the turn. I am thinking I need to knock out the blinds as your hand is very vunerable to redraws. I think the SB is a retard here if he hit his flush and is going for a checkraise. He's better off betting out or going for an overcall on your bet. I bet the river.
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Agreed. But do we dump it on the river if we're c/r'd? I think we'd have to, and I don't think I do enough.
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Tripps7
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Yeah, I probably dump it to a c/r. With the coordinated board, I don't see my hand as good at that point. Rethinking it a bit here, I am not opposed to checking. Some donk might have made his two pair or straight and is just afraid to bet with the flush out there. I still probably bet though.
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Romulus141
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(Without reading responses)
Raise pre-flop, you have good position and suited JK is strong and you want that pot big.
Raise the flop to isolate in this small pot.
After that, the turn and river will change dynamics.
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Xanadu
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Full House
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I also think you should raise preflop. If you had raised preflop, waiting for the turn to raise is better than raising the flop, as it protects your hand better. Having not raised preflop, you should raise the flop, hoping hands like Ax and Qx fold. Betting the river is a value bet against weak opponents. The worst mistake you could make this hand is to fold to a river check-raise ... by that time you will only need to win about 5% for the call to be profitable, and at these stakes you will win quite a bit more often than that. People will check raise some utter crap at those limits.
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Demiparadigm
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4-of-a-Kind
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Raise Preflop
Raise the flop
Call the turn
Bet the river and fold to a raise
Good Luck.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
If you had raised preflop, waiting for the turn to raise is better than raising the flop, as it protects your hand better.
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This is not a draw heavy board and there are not a lot of card we are afraid to see on the turn that will change the value of our hand. Thus raising for value on the flop is much better than waiting for a turn blank to protect our hand.
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
Having not raised preflop, you should raise the flop, hoping hands like Ax and Qx fold.
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And because we have the best hand a HUGE majority of the time. we don't really even care about overcards calling because there are very few that beat us.
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
Betting the river is a value bet against weak opponents. The worst mistake you could make this hand is to fold to a river check-raise ... by that time you will only need to win about 5% for the call to be profitable, and at these stakes you will win quite a bit more often than that. People will check raise some utter crap at those limits.
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My experience is the exact opposite. I doubt you run into a check raise that is less than top pair in a multiway pot approximately ever. At least no where near 5% of the time.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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