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DeanCarl
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04-13-2005, 01:47 AM
Post subject: Me 'ats off to ....
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Alpine, CA
Posts: 80
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... the grinders! I am basically a NL SnG player, but .... I got a pretty good deal to sign up on party poker so I did. Only requirement was to play 500 raked hands which I did ... in two days ... useing two tables (which I am in NO way used to) and decided to use the .5/1 tables to minumize the swings of NL ring tables.
Now, what I want to know is how you guys who play limit all the time (and some for a living, for goodness sake) do it?! Don't get me wrong, I gained a HUGE amount of respect for those of you who can go hours at a time hitting the "fold" or "check/fold" buttons. And I actually made some money in the deal over and above the bonus.
But I think my brain melted somewhere along the way and has slithered into my toes! 
Gonna take a day off then get back to the SnG's (but on Party this time rather than UB).
Dean
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I don't think anyone can completely escape the mental wear down factor. No matter how much you love the game, it's just not healthy to stare at a computer for 5-8 hours straight. I think if you do this professionally, you have to seriously consider a better schedule, like 3 hours on 2 hours off, and then 4 more or something. I agree that No Limit breaks it up a bit. I thoroughly enjoy the nightly 30,000 tournaments on Pacific. I haven't finished better than 35th yet, but usually make some decent money.
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Thinker
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 41
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The mental factor is one the things that i really feel that i have to pay extra attencion to.
Only play poker for less then 2 years, and limit for only 3 months (i've played limit before, but really didnt have a clue of what i was doing, although i though i did at the time)
At first i only need 3 or 4 bad beats in a row to get a full tilt, sometimes it would make me call every hand, and i mean ... EVERY hand, loosing all the money i was winning in the last hours, really fast.
Then i started to improve a little (still not enough though) and i take a break when i feel theres something wrong, instead of keep playing for 24 hours straight until i recover, like i did before.
Offcourse that the times that i did recover when playing 24 hours straigh were few, it was more likely to loose a lot
What really amazes me, is that when i tilt, i am absolutly sure im just having bad luck, and im playing well, when in fact im playing like a retarded.
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UG
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Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,855
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Some people "have it," some people don't. Some people, like me, are calm and patient. I can sit there for 5-6 hours straight and slowly build my stack, and wait for really good hands. I like to call it camping. Some people just can't do that.
My suggestion to you is to add more tables. You're working with two right now. After a few more sessions add a third, and then a fourth. It's really quite amazing how easy it is to manage four tables. It's also pretty cool that you cut the grind in half because you're seeing double the hands.
Like just the other day....I played for six hours straight. After five hours I was +25, which is pretty lousy. I just couldn't get a good hand. During the sixth hour I hit monster after monster, and wound up +180 for the day. Patience is a ring player's friend, I believe.
I'm a NL25 player right now, so take that for what it's worth...you limit turds might disagree with the whole camping deal sine you can't push all of your chips in at once.
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storm75m
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: 6MAX-NL - Houston
Posts: 401
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
Patience is a ring player's friend, I believe.
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Totally agree. As long as you can sit and wait for good hands and not do anything stupid in between, you're good to go. With NL you can play for hours, and you're going to make the majority of your money on maybe a couple big hands. Whereas limit players slowly and gradually build their stack through correctly making small decisions. I haven't ventured into limit at all, seems like a lot more math/odds and less about playing the players.
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Lack of Discipline and Over-Confidence... The root of all poker evil.
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Jay67s
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 241
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Patience Patience is the key --- also while watching your stack slowely go down, because you aren't getting the cards, you have to say
"it will come back"
"it will come back"
"Don't push it"
I multitable usually just 2 sometimes 3 (i need a bigger monitor or run a dual setup) -- So that keeps the boredom down. I also study the other players. (Poker Tracker/Player View are a must)
I have found that most of time your stack is either slowly going down, or slowly going up. Then you get on a role and win 10 to 20 BB real fast. Bad beats hurt, but they way I look at bad beats (if the player played incorrectly) is that I will probably get that money back.
Limit Holdem is not something that can be looked at "short term" it is definatly a long term game.
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elipsesjeff
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
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The most hands i can usually play in a day is 1000. I usually get on a huge upswing that i want to realize my gains or get on a huge downswing that i want to minimize my losses at that point. It also depends on the fact that I run out of music to listen to.
George is right, 4 tabling not only makes the time go by faster but you are almost always playing a hand at 18% vpip. I'm just sad George is now NL...
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Trikflow77
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: im so asian
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I play a minimum of 1000 hands a day 5 out of 7 days a week. I have two off days that I do with what I choose. Most of the time I play about 1000 hands 4-6 tabling and then play 2-3 tables later at night. I like only playing 2-3 tables at times to sharpin my game and work on reads and playing other players, not just playing my cards. This also helps with the "grinding" issue.
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Element187
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 802
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Originally Posted by storm75m
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
Patience is a ring player's friend, I believe.
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Totally agree. As long as you can sit and wait for good hands and not do anything stupid in between, you're good to go. With NL you can play for hours, and you're going to make the majority of your money on maybe a couple big hands. Whereas limit players slowly and gradually build their stack through correctly making small decisions. I haven't ventured into limit at all, seems like a lot more math/odds and less about playing the players. |
are you insane? you have to play the player in limit.. not necessarily whether to call or fold, but to make the correct play/trap for extra bets.
i play both, limit is alot more fun, but i like the bigger pots in no limit.
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Element187
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Full House
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Location: Orlando, FL
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Originally Posted by trikflow77
I play a minimum of 1000 hands a day 5 out of 7 days a week. I have two off days that I do with what I choose. Most of the time I play about 1000 hands 4-6 tabling and then play 2-3 tables later at night. I like only playing 2-3 tables at times to sharpin my game and work on reads and playing other players, not just playing my cards. This also helps with the "grinding" issue.
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f i stick to just one table and pay close attention, i consitantly crush the game.. where as multitabling im only picking small pots here and there.
i guess i see the purpose of multitabling to clear a bonus, but i seem to profit alot more from just one table.
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Chicago_Kid
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: People let me tell you about my best friends...
Posts: 1,132
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Originally Posted by Element187
i guess i see the purpose of multitabling to clear a bonus, but i seem to profit alot more from just one table.
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I've been having struggles moving up a level while multi-tabling. I think that I might try playing 1-2 tables rather than my regular 3-4 and focussing more on the players might help.
Secondly, I just ordered a bigger monitor, which should allow me to play 4 games w/o any overlap. This will also make it easier to observe all big action to keep my player reads on point. 
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"Been gone so long, forgot how to poker"
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Chicago_Kid
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: People let me tell you about my best friends...
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Originally Posted by Element187
are you insane? you have to play the player in limit.. not necessarily whether to call or fold, but to make the correct play/trap for extra bets.
i play both, limit is alot more fun, but i like the bigger pots in no limit.
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Agreed whole-heartedly. Making a lot of tiny mistakes without reads can REALLY add up. In addition, getting that money back in limit is so much harder than in NL.
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"Been gone so long, forgot how to poker"
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Element187
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
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Originally Posted by Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by Element187
i guess i see the purpose of multitabling to clear a bonus, but i seem to profit alot more from just one table.
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I've been having struggles moving up a level while multi-tabling. I think that I might try playing 1-2 tables rather than my regular 3-4 and focussing more on the players might help.
Secondly, I just ordered a bigger monitor, which should allow me to play 4 games w/o any overlap. This will also make it easier to observe all big action to keep my player reads on point. |
my memory is just too shot to keep up with 2 or more tables properly.
i can play the cards and be successful, but no way can i remember how 30 other players play at once.. 10 is bad enough ( and yes 10, i have to pay attention to my own play as well )
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