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bigspenda73
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06-08-2007, 12:31 AM
Post subject: Maybe interesting 1/2 LHE 6max hand
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1/2 6max on FT. Not running PT and I don't remember if I can have them send me HH's. Anyways, 3-4th orbit, table is loose passive with 3+ players seeing unraised flops.
I check my option with   after 3 limpers
Flop (4SBs)   
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, BTN 3bets, SB folds, Hero caps, UTG calls, BTN calls
Turn (8BBs) 
Hero bets, UTG calls, BTN raises, Hero calls, UTG calls
River (14BBs) 
Hero checks intending to c/r
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sinky
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Concentrating on the BU, who is the main threat here. Pre-flop he did not raise following 2 limpers. He would have to be really passive not to raise AA,KK, QQ pre-flop.
He 3 bet the flop, you capped and he called. You led the turn and a passive opponent still came back at you with a raise on the turn. Now I would be worried. Still could be a really badly played overpair or 89 or Ad9d, But hands like T7, 86, 96, 99, 88, 66 look more likely.
Even if you are a slight favourite, not sure I like the c/r plan on the river. If UTG has missed a draw he is folding regardless, but if he has A9 or TT etc. then he might just fold on the river facing 2 bets. If you donk the river you have UTG trapped inbetween the 2 aggressors. that might be a better way to win 4BB on the river. If you are behind your c/r will only open you up to a 3bet which you have to call.
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bigspenda73
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Ok, I kind of wanted this to be a hand reading experiment. Here are my reads, you can agree, disagree, or agree to disagree.
Preflop
UTG, SCs, PPs, Axs
BTN, a large range
Flop
UTG, Q9s+, Adxd, 67s+
BTN 67,78,79, xd7d, Ad9d
Turn
UTG Adxd. He can't have a boat b/c he had 2 chances to reopen the betting. He could just have a naked 7.
BTN 67s
River
Mi hand is goot and Im not getting UTG to overcall so I might as well get full value from the BTN
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sinky
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Why can't BTN have the boat ? Are you assuming he would have slowplayed the flop ?
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dsaxton
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The fact that you are showing a lot of strength on the flop, then getting raised on the turn by a passive player once the board pairs should indicate something. Also, raising the river causes you to lose 2 bets when you're beat and only win one when you aren't, which should incline you more towards check-calling.
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bigspenda73
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Lol, forgot about this hand.
The reason I typed "intending to c/r" is because I never got the opportunity to. Not b/c it was checked behind but b/c FTP lagged on me and timed me out and folded my hand.
FWIW the BTN had T8o and won the pot ld0. Gross overplay much?
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Stagemn
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FT dumps you with a good hand.... seems usual, don't it?
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Stagemn
FT dumps you with a good hand.... seems usual, don't it?
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I don't follow
This was the day of their update and everyone was getting timed out all over the place. FT just shut down my account actually so looks like Im on PS from here on out.
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Stagemn
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Stagemn
FT dumps you with a good hand.... seems usual, don't it?
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I don't follow
This was the day of their update and everyone was getting timed out all over the place. FT just shut down my account actually so looks like Im on PS from here on out. |
It is common for me to lose connection one to ten times a day from FT. Usually it's when it's abnout my turn to fold though thankfully.
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euphoricism
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Check raising that river with the ass end of a paired board would be spew-o-matic.
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SHAKE
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Button has 2 pair enough here, just call down, c/r is a spew. What do you do when your 3-Bet?
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by SHAKE
Button has 2 pair enough here, just call down, c/r is a spew. What do you do when your 3-Bet?
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Well I don't fold and I don't raise
c/c seems weak to me.
The mistake was not 3betting the turn and charging the flush draw or naked 7 the maximum.
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SHAKE
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well, i delfinatly see your pint in raising the turn, but you diddnt...
C/c the river is not weak its standerd, although leading the river is the worst option c/ring is second worse. No way you dont get 3 bet when your behind here, costing you 2 more bets the c/calling. Also if but leads and you cr you more then likly force out guy in the middle anyway.
if you did raise the turn youd have alot more info but givin the fact they are LP and they are drawing really thin (if your not already dead) i like calling the turn and c/c the river
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SHAKE
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Knowing your opps RT%W@SD would have helped alot eh?
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bigspenda73
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My reasoning behind c/r the river over bet/calling was b/c I was 100% sure the player in the middle could not even call 1 bet.
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SHAKE
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
My reasoning behind c/r the river over bet/calling was b/c I was 100% sure the player in the middle could not even call 1 bet.
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i was saying b/c was the WORST option. C/c, you get 3 bet 100% of time when your beat.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
My reasoning behind c/r the river over bet/calling was b/c I was 100% sure the player in the middle could not even call 1 bet.
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i was saying b/c was the WORST option. C/c, you get 3 bet 100% of time when your beat. |
i cannot get 3bet if I b/c i can get 3bet if I c/r
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SHAKE
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by SHAKE
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My reasoning behind c/r the river over bet/calling was b/c I was 100% sure the player in the middle could not even call 1 bet.
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i was saying b/c was the WORST option. C/c, you get 3 bet 100% of time when your beat. |
i cannot get 3bet if I b/c i can get 3bet if I c/r |
that what I ment.
1.c/c
2c/r
3b/c
4b/r
5 o/f
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euphoricism
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I c/f the turn fairly often, honestly. Its going to be expensive to get to showdown, youve got the ass end of the straight on paired board in which youre calling two bets on the turn.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
I c/f the turn fairly often, honestly. Its going to be expensive to get to showdown, youve got the ass end of the straight on paired board in which youre calling two bets on the turn.
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You haven't been playing this game lately though. The aggression has really ramped up in the lower stakes game. I honestly felt (and was correct this time) that I was still ahead on the turn.
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euphoricism
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Well, uh ok. Then why post this? What do you want to hear? I dont understand...
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Well, uh ok. Then why post this? What do you want to hear? I dont understand...
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Until SHAKE came around and saved this forum it had been quite dead.
Actually, I wanted to see what you guys would put both players on. It's now 100% obvious to me UTG had a flush draw and I was really expecting to see the BTN show up with 67 like 99% of the time.
I could never fold this turn, there are way too many combo draws out there. C/f seems ridiculous.
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euphoricism
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66, 88, 99, 67, 68, 69, T7, all miles ahead of you.
Any 7, T, J is a horrible river card.
Any diamond is a horrible river card.
A 5 will probably split if youre not already behind.
Almost every river card is horrible for you. You gotta fold this facing two on the turn.
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euphoricism
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I read hand wrong. Youre not facing two on the turn, you bet and got raised. Yeah, call and c/c the river.
C/R the river is still spewtastic
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
66, 88, 99, 67, 68, 69, T7, all miles ahead of you.
Any 7, T, J is a horrible river card.
Any diamond is a horrible river card.
A 5 will probably split if youre not already behind.
Almost every river card is horrible for you. You gotta fold this facing two on the turn.
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The is a good one 
But yea, c/c the river seems better although I really don't hate b/c the more I think about it. Only problem is if I bet and UTG calls and BTN raises instead of overcalls I'd be in trouble.
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SHAKE
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
I read hand wrong. Youre not facing two on the turn, you bet and got raised. Yeah, call and c/c the river.
C/R the river is still spewtastic
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lol i think this is the overall consensus.
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