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drtofu66
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11-21-2005, 04:09 AM
Post subject: Maybe this belongs in the beginner's circle, but....
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I'm in a bit of a downswing and am wondering if I'm playing weak-tight. It seems that I'm negative because my premium hands are getting cracked but there's always room for improvement. I was reviewing my past sessions for leaks and this hand struck me as something I should look at. Pokertracker notes CO to be Semi-loose-Aggressive/Passive and MP1 a Loose-Passive/Passive (but I've got <100 hands on each). I tend not to stick around with overcards past the turn when there's any aggression to my c-bet (and most of my outs were counterfeited here). When I didn't get a spade on the turn I dumped the hand. Is my thinking proper here?
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q , A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (9.40 SB) 9 , T, 4 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, CO raises, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.
Turn: (7.70 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP1 calls.
River: (9.70 BB) A (2 players)
MP1 checks, CO checks.
Final Pot: 9.70 BB
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KoRnholio
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I usually play it the same, though with 4 people to that flop you could just check-call the flop to see if you improve. That would be even more weak-tight, but there's only so far you can take ace-high.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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euphoricism
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well played.
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duckdown
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I probably would have check-called the flop, looking for improvement on the turn so I could go for the check-raise. Otherwise, I fold on the turn. Tough break on the river, but there is little you can do out of position against a raiser with only ace-high.
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by duckdown
I probably would have check-called the flop, looking for improvement on the turn so I could go for the check-raise. Otherwise, I fold on the turn. Tough break on the river, but there is little you can do out of position against a raiser with only ace-high.
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Weak-tight. You showed aggression preflop, the c-bet is almost a requirement. check/calling the flop would be incredibly passive.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Weak-tight. You showed aggression preflop, the c-bet is almost a requirement. check/calling the flop would be incredibly passive.
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With 3 other opponents, I can see checking here depending on table texture. That's a pretty horrible board for us.
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Ltrain
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Check call the flop. Board missed, multiway flop, two to act behind us and there is enough of a board to give a wide range of reasonable hands enough odds to call a bet.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Weak-tight. You showed aggression preflop, the c-bet is almost a requirement. check/calling the flop would be incredibly passive.
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With 3 other opponents, I can see checking here depending on table texture. That's a pretty horrible board for us. |
Yeah, check/call isn't horrible here - but I don't think its ideal. Saving 1 sb is not worth giving up the initiative. Often you'll see Hero Bets, 3 folds. I think check/calling here is almost giving the hand away.
Maybe I'm playing too much 5/10 6max and have become overaggressive.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Saving 1 sb is not worth giving up the initiative.
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Multi-way against horrible loose/passive players, I value getting the best of it more than initiative.
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euphoricism
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And how does check/calling get you the best of it? if anything, getting raised encourages others to gtfo
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
And how does check/calling get you the best of it? if anything, getting raised encourages others to gtfo
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You don't have the best of it, depending on the other players, etc. probably don't have enough fold equity to bet, so you may as well check and call a single bet because folding would be a pretty terrible mistake.
I can go either way here, bet or check. Depends on so many things...
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euphoricism
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Im reminded of the line, 'if you'll call a bet, bet.' But yes, it does depend on many things.
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