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Old 10-22-2005, 10:13 PM     Post subject: Max Your Wins with quads... #1 (permalink)  
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I cold call pf becasue i figure both blinds are calling so i have odds, then guy 3 bets and UTG limp caps! Ohh boy big pot going and it's 5 way... OHH YEA TOP SET!!!.... Raise, ohh shit turned the nuts!!! slow down a bit for max value... then let the draws get there and upfully UTG leads and i get max beats in i love it when a plan comes together...

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Preflop: pkrfanatic is CO with 4, 4. MP2 posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) calls, 1 fold, pkrfanatic calls, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG caps, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, pkrfanatic calls, Button calls.

Flop: (25.50 SB) 2, 3, 4 (6 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, pkrfanatic raises, Button folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (17.75 BB) 4 (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, pkrfanatic calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (20.75 BB) 6 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, pkrfanatic raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 25.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has Js Jc (two pair, jacks and fours).
pkrfanatic has 4h 4c (four of a kind, fours).
Outcome: pkrfanatic wins 25.75 BB.
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Old 10-22-2005, 10:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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It's a draw heavy board, raise the turn.
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Old 10-23-2005, 06:10 AM #3 (permalink)  
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It's a draw heavy board, raise the turn.
Wouldn't you stand to gain more if you simply call the turn? Assuming UTG and UTG+1 also call.
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Wouldn't you stand to gain more if you simply call the turn? Assuming UTG and UTG+1 also call.
They won't fold a draw, might raise if they hit and certainly won't pay off if they miss. Plus I like to get tricky with my big hands and play them really fast for deception.
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Old 10-23-2005, 05:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I reaise that turn i loose 2bb here because that guy will fold he limp capped PF i think e has a big pair that he can drop for two bets here... so i miss 1 bet from him on the turn but orginal bettor calls so basicly i get the same amount of bets in when UTG leads the river i'm assuming he's calling one more... so if he folds to my raise on the turn because with my read he should, i get 2bb out of the orginal bettor or 2bb by just calling out of two opponets... either way i get same amount of bets out of my opponets...

On the river when UTG leads i have acumplished a miss read on his part he thinks i had AKo or AQo and was over playing the flop... so he leads and othe guy calls i come over the top felling 100% both will call 1 more for a showdown... there fore assuming i raised the turn i get 1bb out of my opponet where here i got what was suppozed to be 4bb but ended up 3bb out of my oppents so i got an extra 2bb playing it this way instead...
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Old 10-23-2005, 10:52 PM #6 (permalink)  
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RAISE
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TURN

UTG+1 will bet a straight or a flush on the river REGARDLESS
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Old 10-24-2005, 12:13 AM #7 (permalink)  
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RAISE
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TURN

UTG+1 will bet a straight or a flush on the river REGARDLESS
First off read the above post from me...

Second only way raising the turn would be a bettor line in a situation like this is I think UTG might have 22,33,55 to have a boat... or I think someone will over call a big pair... I don't mind letting people catch something for cheap with a lock, I had to let UTG and UTG+1 chase and have them make a mistake... I figured if I call the turn the limp capper UTG calls and UTG+1 calls any draw like he should... I raise there I am 90% sure UTG and UTG+1 both muck... I have UTG on AKs, UTG+1 probably had something like 88, and MP1 is passive and wont overplay his over pair... I want these guys to connect a 2 outer and I mean we cap the river if that happens and I gave up 1bb on the turn knowing I hopefully can make an extra 2 to 4bb on the river... you have to not only look at what you have you have to look at what you think your opponents have and then think how to maximize the profit of your lock... my call on the turn gives my hand deception like I have something like 99 or TT... sometimes you loose profit by playing it straight forward and not going extra levels to think... "How do I take the most money out of these idiots on this hand?"

Third its 5 way capped PF if you are an observer to this hand what hands do you put these players on no reads? UTG limps, UTG+! Open raises, MP1 cold calls, MP2 (poster) calls (why you are posting MP2 is beyond me), at this point I cold call with odds, Button 3 bets (umm 3 people call a raise what can you 3 bet here? AK AA-TT), UTG Caps (what the hell? AKs maybe AQs umm and AA-JJ maybe), then UTG+1 cold calls cap, MP1 and 2 cold call the cap I have odds to see a fold for sure I cold call the cap and button calls 1 and we go to a flop...

On the flop it hits 234… who hit this besides me? Maybe some Ace draw to a 4 outer (devalued do to splits), I don’t think anyone has a 56 here or A5 I mean maybe A5 is more likely if it was suited and such… UTG leads that makes perfect since to me he limp capped PF… this still could be the rang I put him on PF… UTG+1 calls same as MP1/2, I raise, Button mucks well he had AKo or something like that but he had odds to draw if he though I had like 99… everyone calls no one re-raises, I’m thinking sweet I’m well ahead in this pot I would have seen AA-QQ come out 3 betting me…

UTG/+1 checks MP1 leads… what does this dude have here? I mean betting into a Flop raiser on this board? Is this a shitty attempt at a bluff of the 4 ? Does he have the boat? Does he have a draw? I’m not real sure where he is but I have a lock so I want him to connect on the river so I get paid off more… so I call hoping UTG/+1 both call putting 2bb in the pot I have a lock on… unfortunately UTG folds umm sounds like AKs missed? UTG+1 called ok so I got 1bb out of the 2bb I was hoping for… I’ll go with it…

Then the river is a dream card for me 66 made a boat, FD got there, any 5 hits a straight, this is perfect exactly what I wanted to see besides a J-A… a J-A hits they might over play it and it would be great if they made a boat J-A full… other then that I want to see a 5 or 6 of diamonds hit the board… that’s assuming people have J-A I in there hands that is still in or mucked, 1 card is gone so 3 of each left on avg so 14 cards I like to see and I fell because my call on the turn it hides my lock and I have implied odds they pay me more on the river… with 14 cards that I think I gain extra bets on the river with I’m happy to give up my raise… so when UTG+1 leads the river my plan came true… I knew MP1 wasn’t going to fold and I thought I got both of them for 1 extra bet… unfortunately UTG+1 folded (don’t see why), but MP1 called so I made 1bb out of the 2 I was hoping for…

If everything goes to plan I make 4bb extra not raising the turn, but I got 2bb extra, by not doing it, and just think if UTG/+1 both call the turn and one of them hits a boat on the river I probably get a 3 bet off at least maybe a cap… so even if they just call the turn then I have to lead the river I still get 3bb in that pot having the same results, however one of them makes a big FH boy o boy I make 2 to 6 more bets then what I did…
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Old 10-24-2005, 09:45 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Too long; didn't read.
LOL. You've got to raise the turn to give yourself an opportunity to get as many bets in for the most money when possible.


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Old 10-25-2005, 12:27 AM #10 (permalink)  
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i fucking play bad what does it matter... don't take advice from me...
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