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Chopper
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10-01-2009, 08:11 PM
Post subject: Lunch hand V..
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
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$0.25/$0.5 Limit Holdem
9 Players
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READ (well, sort of): villains are idiots, but i didnt think they were this stupid. my call was bad enough pre, but this is why its sometimes better to be "ok" post flop..
oh, and i would have raised had i had the best relative position.
Stacks:
UTG (19.65)
UTG+1 (9.65)
MP1 (9.35)
MP2 (8.15)
Hero (22.9)
CO (9.6)
BTN (9.4)
SB (11.1)
BB (10)
Pre-Flop: (1.4 SB, 9 players) Hero is MP3 
3 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BTN raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BTN calls
Flop: (13.0 SB, 4 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BTN calls
Turn: (8.5 BB, 4 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, 1 fold, SB folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 4-bets, Hero calls
River: (16.5 BB, 2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero 4-bets, MP2 calls
Final Pot: 24.5 BB
Hero shows a straight, Four to Eight

Hero wins 23.7 BB ( won +13.7 BB )
MP2 lost -10.0 BB
BTN lost -2.0 BB
SB lost -2.0 BB
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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the other moron had 63o
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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LawDude
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Full House
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Well that is moronic, but he was also a victim of "he can't have the one hand that beats me" syndrome. Happens all the time, especially with straights and with king-high flushes.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Well that is moronic, but he was also a victim of "he can't have the one hand that beats me" syndrome. Happens all the time, especially with straights and with king-high flushes.
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and, my favorite.....quads on a double paired board.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Scrimmage
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Straight
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Location: Saskatoon, Canada
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Originally Posted by Chopper
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Well that is moronic, but he was also a victim of "he can't have the one hand that beats me" syndrome. Happens all the time, especially with straights and with king-high flushes.
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and, my favorite.....quads on a double paired board.
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You'd need one hell of a read on someone to lay down quads, wouldn't you? That's gotta be -EV over the long run against most opponents.
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by Scrimmage
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Originally Posted by Chopper
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Well that is moronic, but he was also a victim of "he can't have the one hand that beats me" syndrome. Happens all the time, especially with straights and with king-high flushes.
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and, my favorite.....quads on a double paired board.
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You'd need one hell of a read on someone to lay down quads, wouldn't you? That's gotta be -EV over the long run against most opponents.
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That wasn't what Chopper meant. What he means is this.
Board is 9h 4d 4c Ks 9s
You hold Ac 9c. Villain has been betting pretty aggressively on the flop and the turn, and you put him on a 4. You make a loose call on the turn and river the Yahtzee card. He bets into you on the river. You raise, of course, figuring you just made a huge suckout. He 3-bets. OK, maybe he has a 9 and was being overaggressive and you will chop, or maybe he's just tilting or thinks that you are representing a 9 to try and get him off the pot. So you 4-bet him. He snap calls.
He, of course, turns over 4s 4h.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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i will say you can count on this much...
I WILL NEVER LAY DOWN QUADS........EVER
because, even live, and with a sick as hell read, i am getting paid like a mutha on the bbj.
here is a scenario for you that i cant describe how differently i play my home games than the mooks that sit with me.
i witnessed a game (wasnt in the hand) that had a board of
4c5c7c
there was a raise pf, but no one bet the flop? however, there were about 6 players in after the stupid minraise pf.
turn bricks.....still no betting. (and i am smelling something fishy about to go down....seriously....this pot is being slowed by the morons.)
river 8c
and, the jets turn on all across the table. first guy donks, next minraises, third raises again, fourth minraises that. and, it goes on and on and on until they all are all in.
i just blurt it out....."i guess we find out now who has the 6 and who the dumbasses trying to trap were."
in there was a SET.....the NUT FLUSH on the flop with AcQc (the minraising fool).....another non club 6 (that put in the third raise), and, of course the 6c that dragged the pot down.
i just said, "i have to get another beer......and my wallet for all the rebuys i will be spending tonight."
hmmmm, who has the edge at THIS table?
i LOVE my home games!! have i ever mentioned that before?
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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LawDude
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Full House
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The only time you should lay down quads is if (1) there is no BBJ and (2) the other player literally flips his hand over and shows you the better quads or straight flush.
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KoRnholio
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Well that is moronic, but he was also a victim of "he can't have the one hand that beats me" syndrome. Happens all the time, especially with straights and with king-high flushes.
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I had one of these moments today.
I raise JJ in MP, semi terrible/loose/short stacked CO cold calls. Flop Qd9dx I bet, he raises, I call. Turn blank, checked through. River Jh, I bet, he raises (has 2 BB left now) I 3bet, he caps all in. KTo (no diamonds) is teh winnar.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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LawDude
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Full House
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Well that is moronic, but he was also a victim of "he can't have the one hand that beats me" syndrome. Happens all the time, especially with straights and with king-high flushes.
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I had one of these moments today.
I raise JJ in MP, semi terrible/loose/short stacked CO cold calls. Flop Qd9dx I bet, he raises, I call. Turn blank, checked through. River Jh, I bet, he raises (has 2 BB left now) I 3bet, he caps all in. KTo (no diamonds) is teh winnar.
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Here's a fish getting the disease with me:
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7 , 7
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 3-bets, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls
Flop: (13 SB) J , J , 7 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, 2 folds, Hero calls
Turn: (8.5 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls
River: (16.5 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 caps, Hero calls
Total pot: $12.25 (24.5 BB) | Rake: $0.40
Results below:
Hero had 7 , 7 (full house, sevens over Jacks).
MP1 had K , J (three of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $11.85
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KoRnholio
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^^ reminds me of a hand I played in a 3/6 game a couple years ago. Two guys cap preflop and every street, with one guy cold calling 2 bets at a time all the way down. Board was something like AA467. The two aggressors had AK and AJ, the whipsawed donk... 85.
After the hand the guy with AJ next to me commented that he thinks he was supposed to lose a lot of money there. I just nodded sadly and avoided tapping the fishbowl.
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