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Chopper

09-22-2009, 06:34 PM Post subject: Lunch hand III..

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only second hand at table and no notes on villains. however, in a previous hand the cold caller limped JJ and never raised it as an overpair.

how poorly did i play this hand? i dont like 4 card boards against 2 players that have very loose metrics so far, one of whom i assume will chase draws passively based on the fact he never raised his overpair...he falls in the loose passive category to me until proven otherwise.

as for cold calling with 88, i had a two other players behind me that i DID have reads on as very loose players....70+ vpip for each of them.

i didnt mind the flop action because i doubt i go b/3b with anything other than a big ace. and, my assessment is not that narrow yet. i assume there is an ace in there, but i dont know how aggressive these, typically passive, players want to be. granted the pot was large enough, i should have planned on betting 3 streets if need be instead of trying to get a c/r in on the turn because the flop was so dry.

Stacks:
UTG (12.55)
UTG+1 (17.4)
UTG+2 (4.95)
MP1 (24.95)
MP2 (11.45)
MP3 (8)
CO (3.65)
BTN (2.55)
Hero (13.5)
BB (34.25)

Pre-Flop: (1.4 SB, 10 players) Hero is SB

2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB calls

Flop:

(8.0 SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks

Turn:

(4.0 BB, 4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 raises, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls

River:

(16.0 BB, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB folds

Final Pot: 18.0 BB

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LawDude

09-22-2009, 07:09 PM

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1. I like the pf cold-call, actually. You aren't going to be able to isolate against players like this anyway (enough will call your raise), so what you want to do is set-mine and hope the BB calls behind you to give you a nice big multi-way pot. And what do you know? BB obliged you.

2. I like the flop too. UTG+2's raise often means AK or AQ, or a higher pocket pair. You're ahead of those hands, so you either want to go for a c/r on the flop or on the turn. Now, unfortunately, these guys checked around, so...

3. You have to bet the turn. You can't afford to be slowplaying if it turns out everyone missed and is going to check around again. UTG+2's raise starts to clarify things. What is UTG+2's range? Probably something along the lines of AA, 88, 33, 22, Ax, KK-99, 45s, 56s, 46s, and broadway spades. At this point, with this much in the pot, do you have equity against that range? Sure. The only issue is whether you want to 3-bet or whether you want to just call the raise and see the showdown. I like the 3-bet, because I still think you are ahead of UTG+2's range, and can maximize value, but a call would not have been terrible.

4. River is academic. Pre-flop raisers from UTG+2 don't have 5's in their hands that often. He could be betting a strong non-straight hand or just trying to steal the pot. Check-call.

Conclusion: you played the hand fine. I suspect your conclusion is going to be that UTG+2 had pocket aces. But you can't assume that just because you see a guy flat jacks and play them passively in one hand, that his pre-flop raising range is that narrow. There could have been all sorts of reasons he did that.

KoRnholio

09-22-2009, 08:43 PM

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I think I can find a bet on the river. On a spade it's an easy check, I just don't see these guys holding a 5 almost ever.

As played I think we can raise the river after UTG+2 bets it. BB *really* shouldn't ever ever have a straight there with his river check. And against UTG+2 we're only worried about AA, which is possibly, but unlikely. Plus there is no way he folds almost anything he was willing to bet when checked to.

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Chopper

09-22-2009, 09:38 PM

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wow. i thought i would get destroyed on this one. i felt pretty bad about it. and, i DID misread it. i was looking for A5. and, A4/A5 on the turn that i was trying to punish.

with THESE guys' ranges, it's more than possible that they carry a 5....thats the shame. but, its also more than possible they hold QQ or some shit that they would overplay in this spot because i have seen that almost as frequently this month, too.

monsters under the bed? maybe. but, there were 4 players on the river after a 3bet turn. i dont think we ALL have legit hands here. and, i dont think we can rule out a hand like A5 at this point.

HU, i cap this. against most pots, i raise here for sure. but, again, these guys were loose (some i had reads on). and, against such loose players, i was disappointed i didnt lead the flop....and that i didnt raise the river anyway. thats where i thought i went wrong. the other "error" was that i didnt think of the "if he had a 5, he would definitely lead here" idea....because that is very true. and, lately, those are the little "tells" i have been punishing the hell out of.

fwiw, villain turned over AKs in diamonds.

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DrivingDog

09-23-2009, 12:12 AM

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I like the pf cold call. You got odds to draw to a set and can win sometimes UI.

Flop is check and hope to get in a c/r imo. Donking isn't bad either, especially if someone will FPS slowplay a big Ace.

On the turn, UTG+2 has AK or AQ almost always (I expect he'd cap the turn with AA).

The only reason to check the river is to c/r it. If someone has 5x they're a complete retard and can have my money. C/c is much too weak.

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Chopper

09-23-2009, 12:34 AM

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thanks dog. long time/no time.

even w/ their stats looking like others i see regularly running 90/20 and crazier? c/c still too pussy?

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