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low limt tourny's are like bingo.
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pitbozz
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08-11-2006, 09:22 PM
Post subject: low limt tourny's are like bingo.
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I have been playing low limit tourys (up to $10) both sit and go and muliti tables for about a year. Always been a somewhat compitant player, I was a casino worker and poker room supervisor for 10 years.
So heres what i have noticed. It seems that players at these limits are not very good, and are there to gamble, not to play break even or make monies over the long term. If your in a 20 seat tourny 14 players are fish. The tables break up so fast you only get to see these players play 4 or 5 hands before you or they are shuffled off . How can you get a tendency or read off them? Do you play them like there new? do you try to bet pot odds when your pretty sure there not? if these players are not folding when raised and reraised, should you still raise as your going to get callers looking for 2-8 outers, one caller is great but 3 callers with 25% chance of drawing out on you well somones going to catch. How often have you seen a guy go all in a the start of a tourny with ak. Great hand but still a drawing hand. he just risked his hole tourny for 30 dollers in blinds. It seems to me at the begining of toury, till blinds get up to 100 dont raise or only make small raises as you will get drawn out to much. The big pots you win arn't enoegh to balance all the bad draw outs that happen at this limit. Multi tables seem to be a bit better, but how often can you money in 250-1000 player tournies.
This style of play can usually get you in the money, it can be boring, and often you get short stacked so you have to raise or go all in, and gamble a bit more . Hopfully you "bingo"!! and take it down . The better players are the ones left and they should know a bit about proper hand selections and when not to chase. Quite often you will only have the all in move by this point Thats ok ( players are wanting to move up positions) so only big hands will call. Dry ace , small pairs, connectors and gappers will mostly fold to your all in, and if they call you needed to double up anyways to get further.
So i have some how made money over this year my role started at 0 (won a free role) and is now at $380.
I am waiting to get over 5oo to try higher limits tourneys($10-25). I am also hoping that players are more knowledgable at the higher limit (still want some fishes) and that they now when to fold or raise as i'd like to be able to get some kind of read, and not just guess why did this guy call my pot size raise does he have a hand, or is he a fish trying to draw out.
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pitbozz
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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lol i was ranting so much i forgot to ask my question. At what toury limit does the play become more skill and less gambling? Or what limit do players become more knowledgeable and start to play postion, stack size,' pot odds and things. At the smaller limits im playing there dosn't seem to be many player playing solid poker. Lots of gamblers though!!
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midas06
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I think you have the wrong strategy in SnGs. You probably should be conserving chips and only playing good hands until the bubble or when blinds rise, then start playing your position when you have fold equity for steals.
This is probably different in MTTs, when you should look to accumulate early so you have more leverage later on.
To answer your question, I've never played limit tourneys with any regularity, but the 22's and 55's and up should have semi-competant players (although half the players in those mtts are nl donks who signed up in the wrong one)
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euphoricism
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I hate limit SNGs. With a passion. The blinds tend to decide the winner, not any sort of skillset.
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Waterdick
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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How can you get a tendency or read off them? Do you play them like there new? do you try to bet pot odds when your pretty sure there not? if these players are not folding when raised and reraised, should you still raise as your going to get callers looking for 2-8 outers, one caller is great but 3 callers with 25% chance of drawing out on you well somones going to catch.
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You dont really need a tendency or read IMO at the lower limits. To make money play more then one at a time. Just play a TAG style until 4-5 ppl left. Here you get more aggressive because of the higher blinds and ppl cautious about ITM. Its not true that you get MANY callers with two outers. As for reads, make a few notes on them, but it is unnescessary to pay 100% attention every hand. Eg. You see them call a raise with A-rag pf then make a note of it.
Im not trying to teach you how to play... my point is the same strat works at low limit SNGs and if 14-20 are fish, you shouldnt be complaining, you shud be asking for 19-20 fish.
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but how often can you money in 250-1000 player tournies.
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alot 
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This style of play can usually get you in the money, it can be boring,
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You shud only play tight for an hour and a bit. Not all the way to the money. Before the money step up the aggression. If you find it boring then play ring.
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often you get short stacked so you have to raise or go all in, and gamble a bit more . Hopfully you "bingo"!! and take it down .
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see, the problem may be that you believe this but it is, in fact, untrue. I dont get short stacked often, but the opposite and get high stacked the first hour.
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I am waiting to get over 5oo to try higher limits tourneys($10-25). I am also hoping that players are more knowledgable at the higher limit (still want some fishes) and that they now when to fold or raise as i'd like to be able to get some kind of read, and not just guess why did this guy call my pot size raise does he have a hand, or is he a fish trying to draw out.
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By what you are writing im not sure that you are rdy for higher tournies.
Especially the bolded line alarms me WHY WOULD YOU WANT THIS!?!?!?
THIS IS SUCH A MYTH AND SOOOO MANY PLAYERS SAY IT!!! AT LOWER LIMITS PPL DONT GO ALL IN WITH 10-7 suited or w.e. PPL SAY (by low limits i mean around 25NL and $5-10 tournies MTT/SNG) AND EVEN IF PPL PLAYED LIKE THAT Y WUD PPL COMPLAIN!!?
IT IS POSSIBLE TO PUSH PPL OFF A HAND IN 25NL and $6 MTTS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO IS ALSO A MYTH CREATED BY BAD PLAYERS
i see those types of comments way tooooo much and I HATE THEM! 
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lonnie
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I work in the casino/poker business also. I hear players say all the time that bad players are always beating them. They themselves think they are good players.
Usually, the people that are complaining play solid preflop...but don't have a clue postflop. They are actually getting outplayed post flop alot of the time and don't even know it.
If you are beat, lay your hand down. If you are ahead, raise. If you can't figure out where you are at in the hand....well, learn how to play better.
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pitbozz
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by lonnie
I work in the casino/poker business also. I hear players say all the time that bad players are always beating them. They themselves think they are good players.
Usually, the people that are complaining play solid preflop...but don't have a clue postflop. They are actually getting outplayed post flop alot of the time and don't even know it.
If you are beat, lay your hand down. If you are ahead, raise. If you can't figure out where you are at in the hand....well, learn how to play better.
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I dont think im a great player need lots of work, but what i was trying to get at was, the players at these limits are gambling and with so few reads on there play you should play tight. I think you are correct in my play somewhat. in that im finding it hard to play post flop because fish are calling out of position, raising, and im left guessing. are they good, bad or making a play? not sure cause ive only seen 5 0r 10 hands and only a few till the end. I will play my draws when pot odds say too,or a good bluff (very rarely)but are they playing pot odds i dont think so. lets say i raise on a drawing board (Dont want them to draw for free), i put them on a draw and clearly my bet is strong enough that im telling them i think your on a draw. they do not seem to pick up the fact i raised this amount to tell them you can call but you dont have the best.. You raise again on the turn now they have a big chunk of there stack in and in there mind set have to call to the river. They are still calling when pot odds are against them. I dont think there playing for implied odds, as why would they have that skill and not the other? If its one caller then great, odds are he will miss, but 3 or 4 calling your raise pre flop the guys with the best draws are going to stay and somone will draw out on you.if you have raised the whole way your pretty much pot commited to see him flip a runner runner. I dont mind being outplayed by somone better at least i might learn somthing about my play, but getting sucked out on all the time is getting to me.
No i dont think a ton are playing 10,7 pre flop. its postflop where they arnt thowing away bad draws. Most poeple Know to play good cards, they just have a hard time throughing them away.
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midas06
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Most poeple Know to play good cards, they just have a hard time throughing them away.
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So true
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