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rubixstreub
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07-30-2005, 04:48 AM
Post subject: Low Limit Strategy - Lee Jones
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My low limit knowledge comes from practically memorizing Lee Jones's "Winning Low Limit Hold 'em". I play Party Poker .5/1 10 man tables and I'm wondering if the teachings of this book are really all I need to succeed at this level.
Is his general strategy too conservative? Does it translate well to the online game at the lowest levels? What changes would you make, if any?
I'm just curious because it seems most of the discussions in this forum revolve around the 2/4 games and up, which are totally different from the .5/1. Basically I'm looking for advice concerning the lowest limits and making sure my foundation is solid.
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JJDylan
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Read Small Stakes Hold em by Sklansky and Malmuth....it blows jones' book out of the water
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Fnord
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07-30-2005, 09:16 AM
Post subject: Re: Low Limit Strategy - Lee Jones
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Originally Posted by Rubix13
I'm wondering if the teachings of this book are really all I need to succeed at this level.
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Originally Posted by Rubix13
Basically I'm looking for advice concerning the lowest limits and making sure my foundation is solid.
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Different games require different adjustments. For example, my online 3/6 and 5/10 experience has me calling down in spots where I probably can just fold at the local 4/8 B&M game.
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Gatlin Dan
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I would say that Jones' book teaches you what you need to be successful at .5/1.
Miller and Sklansky's book teaches you what you need to crush .5/1.
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ManYac
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PartyPoker .5/1 its hard agressive imho. But GL in it.
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Originally Posted by ManYac
PartyPoker .5/1 its hard agressive imho. But GL in it.
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Aggressive? PartyPoker .5/1 is some of the softest and most passive poker I've seen anywhere.
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Fnord
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PartyPoker .5/1 its hard agressive imho. But GL in it.
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Wow, that's funny.
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lee jones book teaches a weak tight style.....winning but weak tight. SSHE teaches you to push your edges whenever possible.
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lee jones book teaches a weak tight style.....winning but weak tight. SSHE teaches you to push your edges whenever possible.
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i played the .5/1 tables for 4 months, and read and played exactly like the beginner books by lou kreiger and lee jones.
actually probably the best strat for beginners to get a good grasp on it, and as your bankroll creeps up to the 500 to 600 big bets level, i'd start reading SSH and start learning the more aggressive play so your more prepared to take the jump to the next level ..
although i recommend more switching over to ultimatebet's 1/2 game as its much easier then partypoker's 1/2. when you have the 300 BB for that level.
til you have the roll to move up to 2/4 then jump back on party 
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Interesting... why leave party at the 1/2 level and then come back? UB easier or because of Party's rake?
I'm around $300 with my current .5/1 bank roll at party with SSH on it's way. Should be a couple months before I consider moving up.
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party's 1/2 sucks.. because of rake, and the check raising gets annoying (from what i heard)
but i found ultimatebet's 1/2 table very soft and if you stick to the SSHE book, its easy to make 20 to 50 BB in a 6 or 7 hour session. pretty much just run over the table. also blind stealing works really well at those tables.
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rubixstreub
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UB has a rakeback too, right? Might make that a permanent change once I'm Bankrolled for the 1/2 game. What's the deal with party? They just figure they're the biggest they can charge the higher rake?
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UB has a rakeback too, right? Might make that a permanent change once I'm Bankrolled for the 1/2 game. What's the deal with party? They just figure they're the biggest they can charge the higher rake?
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I think a lot of it is that the majority of player's at Party simply don't know any better. The beat the .5/1 for 1 or 2 BB/100 and think they are ready to move up. They don't consider the rake and end up becoming a break even or losing player because of it.
The people who are aware of the rake at party either avoid the 1/2 tables there or think the play of the other player's is poor enough that it will compensate for the increased rake they are paying.
After 20K + hands, it's sickening what you will pay in rake on a site whose structure is more friendly than Party's. With the higher rake at party, you can really start to feel like you are pissing money away contributing to the rake.
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