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Laeelin

03-15-2005, 02:49 PM Post subject: Low Limit, Limit holdem... preflop folding..

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I have started playing limit a little recently, and have a couple questions for the experts...

When playing at .01/.01 and .05/.10 limit games, people raise and stay in with anything.

Because of this, I'm not sure how to play some hands... for example..

KQs

A good hand, I raise with it... but often i get raised again, or even raised a couple more times.

In a non micro limit game from what i understand, I should fold to that (i think, just starting at limit, and still ahve a lot to learn) .. in a micro limit game, should i stay in with this hand?

Any preflop tips for micro limits?

Anyone know of a good site for learning micro limit holdem?

I have Sklansky's Hold'em Poker book http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews...oldemPoker.php, and it has been helpful, but it is geared to higher limit games.

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03-15-2005, 02:53 PM

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pokerstars has the most "sane" microlimits.

if you're in super loose games just push your pot equity edge...your KQs is much too likely to be the best hand.

just be prepared to take some massive beats.

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03-15-2005, 03:17 PM

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It's gambling. Against a field of bad players you're going to lose often and to horrible holdings, but when you win you'll take down a monster. If you play timid you won't win as much money in the long run.

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03-15-2005, 03:46 PM

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if you're in super loose games just push your pot equity edge...your KQs is much too likely to be the best hand

If i can make more money there, i dont mind staying at super looes games.

Would this be the proper stratagy...

1) call with any hand before the flop that has good monster potential (aka, all pairs, Axs, Kxs, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, QJ, JT..) .. I'd still raise with AA and KK

2) fold on the flop of i dont have a flush, flush draw, straight(with no flush draw on table), straight draw(with no flush draw on table), or at least a set(with no flush or straight/flush draw on table) , or better?

Basically play really tight before the flop and raise nothing other than AA and KK .. then after the flop fold anything i'm not almost positive I would win (or a draw to something i'm sure can win)

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03-15-2005, 03:54 PM

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Too passive. I'm raising about half the time I'm playing a hand in a game like that. My hands will hit the flop more often and make stronger hands with more (re)suck-out potential than the dogshit they're playing. I'm building a pot.

Sounds like you're scared of losing and that just doesn't fly.

Limit hold'em is about winning the most and losing the least. There is a balance.

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03-15-2005, 03:58 PM

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If your playing in a game like that and you have say AT, and the flop is Ac5c9h , would you fold, or call with that hand?

Basically, what should I be looking for when the flop comes to stay in? At least 2 pair or a draw for straight+? just top pair?

edit:

I've been basically raiseing non stop with anything better than a pair.

It feels wierd to raise and reraise with 2 pair though.

should i follow what i said above, but cap before the flop?

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03-15-2005, 04:03 PM

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Buy a copy of Small Stakes Hold'em, then come back. You don't understand limit hold'em at all.

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If your playing in a game like that and you have say AT, and the flop is Ac5c9h , would you fold, or call with that hand?

It will take a lot to make me fold. I'm seeing showdown more often than not and trying to get in extra bets on the flop or turn. However, I'm less likely to raise a hand like ATo in a loose game because it doesn't have much of a pre-flop equity edge, so I'd rather play fit or fold here and make them call bets on later streets against a smaller pot.

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Basically, what should I be looking for when the flop comes to stay in? At least 2 pair or a draw for straight+? just top pair?

A good hand relative to the board and action from other players.

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03-15-2005, 04:06 PM

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Buy a copy of Small Stakes Hold'em, then come back. You don't understand limit hold'em at all.

hehe, good idea =)

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03-15-2005, 05:18 PM

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Fnord,

If you’re still reading this thread, do you know of a site with some good of limit holdem articles?

I only see one article on FTR, and I think you’re exactly right, I just don’t understand limit.

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03-15-2005, 05:23 PM

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For $25, that book is the best way to go.

Laeelin

03-15-2005, 05:31 PM

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<-- sick with flu

I'm not going to a store anytime soon =)

I will get it, but was hopeing for something good to read before then.

Thanks anyway =)

ps: I will be getting it, i know that Sklansky's book really helped me, so i'm all for getting another recomended book.

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03-15-2005, 07:01 PM

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Getting the book would be best, but until then alot can be learned by reading the posts in here when people on this board discuss the different hand histories that people post. I figure the more inforrmation I can soak up the better. I learn a ton just reading the discussions about hands on these different message threads. Once in awhile, I'll say something about a hand, not only about the hand being discussed, but said or asked in a way that what people will say will answer other things or enable me to learn more about a similar situation.

So, until you feel better and can get out, I vote that you read through these messages and pick up things about the way some actual hands played out and why they were played a certain way.

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03-15-2005, 07:08 PM

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Thanks =)

I found what i needed here anyway... Like an idiot I missed pages 2 - 16 of hypers guide

Heh, no wonder i was dissapointed with it.

Now that was VERY helpful.

And covered what I was looking for, and should really really help my playing.

I was making a ton of mistakes.

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03-15-2005, 07:20 PM

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here it is http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=6613

Read that and it might explain a little on how Fnord plays...

I’m currently playing the .05/.10 at stars and occasionally I’ll actually get an ok table that will fold! This is great to have because you'll have the 6 players that will actually fold then like 3 fish which 3 fish is beatable, 8 fish is hard...

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03-15-2005, 07:27 PM

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8 fish is hard...

Not really, fustrating maybe. Just need to target stronger hands.

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03-15-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Laeelin

If your playing in a game like that and you have say AT, and the flop is Ac5c9h , would you fold, or call with that hand?

wow dude. you really don't get it. the answer is neither. you have to raise. preferably checkraise.

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03-15-2005, 08:00 PM

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Laeelin Get poker tracker, read up on Fnord’s sticky, then after taking a simple size of say 1k (trial size for PT), then post your stats and I’m sure that Fnord and other would be happy to tell you places you need to adjust...

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03-15-2005, 08:10 PM

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yea that's microlimits, earlier today I played .10/.20 for almost 3 hours and didn't win shit, with a couple beats, then I hit a straight flush that got capped on turn and river by 4 people. You'll take some beats, but when you flop a monster or turn a monster, people will not fold, they will pay you off big time.

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

Laeelin

03-15-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChezJ

Quote:

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If your playing in a game like that and you have say AT, and the flop is Ac5c9h , would you fold, or call with that hand?

wow dude. you really don't get it. the answer is neither. you have to raise. preferably checkraise.

ChezJ

I was thinking "fold/check or raise" when i typed that .. if anything i'm to aggressive.

I've played a total of about 5 hours in limit(other than a little while the first day playing online poker)

I dont know if i was just at a really really odd table or if it's normal at the .01/.01 level, but , but for example, I had KK and this was the preflop action.

call, raise, call, raise(me), call, fold, call, fold, call, raise, call all arround... it's capped with just 2 people folding preflop.

KK is a great hand, but with 8 people in the hand I lost to 2 pair (9977 i think it was) (not that i regret the play)

ps: i have poker tracker, love it, but no limit experance

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03-16-2005, 03:17 AM

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that's not odd at all, considering the limit. what is going to motivate you to fold to a 3 cent raise?

i was playing $2/$4 at the taj and raised with AA... got 6 callers to the flop. amazingly it held.

ChezJ

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