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journey075
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05-18-2005, 07:58 PM
Post subject: lost a huge limit pot just now, am i stupid?
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guess i shouldve seen it coming, give thoughts you hobags...
playing 5/10L
i have A5s in LP1 and limp. im raised by LP2 and its folded around. i call.
Flop is A52 rainbow. I bet, he raises, i reraise, he caps.
Turn is Q, board is now 2 suited. I bet, he calls.
River is 3, no flush on the board. I bet, he calls.
He shows AA for top set.
I muck 2pr.
should i have considered the possibility that he held 2 aces considering his preflop betting? i figured he had AK or AQ and i was scared of the turn, but since he stopped raising, i guessed my hand was good. in NL i would just chalk this up to me getting reamed, but somehow i think i couldve seen this coming in limit.
so...am i stupid?
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Fnord
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Raise pre-flop.
Post-flop he let you off cheap.
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chardrian
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Why the raise preflop? Yeah it's suited but the kicker sucks balls.
I don't see how you could be advocating the raise so that when AA re-raises you can fold.
Maybe the real question is what does LP1 mean? If you were the button or one to the left of the button then yeah I agree with the raise. Anything other than that why is the limp so bad?
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Fnord
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You should never open-limp from MP onwards. By raising he may fold out a better Ace, doesn't give away information about his hand and applies pressure on his opponents to make a hand. With A5s taking down the blinds unopposed would be a major coup.
If he isn't going to raise here, it's a clear fold. Calling is the worst option unless there are a bunch of loose/passive serial cold-callers VP$IP 50%+ players and loose blinds remaining to act (then seriously consider finding a new seat or table.)
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Phyl
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Raise preflop.
You couldn't have seen it coming, he played it just like AK. Be thankful you didn't end up losing another bet or two like you would have against a TAG.
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poskid_1982
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Who is this guy...I want to play him every time he's holding the nuts and I'm not
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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chardrian
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Originally Posted by Fnord
You should never open-limp from MP onwards. By raising he may fold out a better Ace, doesn't give away information about his hand and applies pressure on his opponents to make a hand. With A5s taking down the blinds unopposed would be a major coup.
If he isn't going to raise here, it's a clear fold. Calling is the worst option unless there are a bunch of loose/passive serial cold-callers VP$IP 50%+ players and loose blinds remaining to act (then seriously consider finding a new seat or table.)
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I don't play many large ring games. So what is considered MP in a 5 player max game? I limp UTG with A8 suited or lower. If UTG folds I raise with this from UTG+1 and if I'm the button unopposed I raise with Ax suited (and usually with Ax in general). Last night I played a game against a guy who never ever folded his BB. Unfortunately for me all my AJ-Aks didn't hit and all his 39 os did, so I actually went down about 16 BB over 3 hours but happy with how I played (and this sucker is now on my fish list).
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Fnord
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In a short handed game you should never open-limp.
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chardrian
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Really - always raise?
Does that mean I have to stop playing my 8T suiteds? Cuz I love those hands, but I don't like raising with them, I like getting as many people in the pot as possible.
Do you fold a lot on reraises preflop or just call at that point?
When you are actually in a hand, does most of your folding come on the turn?
Ay ay ay - just when I thought I was getting the hang of this limit thing, it becomes clear I have no idea what I am doing. 
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Fnord
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Why you suck
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Les_Worm
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You don't have to always raise. He said 'open' raise. That means when its folded all the way to you then you want to raise because you are opening the betting. Had there been many limpers in front of you a call would be ok.
Also fold T8 suited unless you are in late position and there are many limpers in the pot. If you only have a little money in the pot you just fold them. You are going to have to make a straight or flush to win and you need the pot odds to draw to it.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Les_worm
You are going to have to make a straight or flush to win and you need the pot odds to draw to it.
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It depends. If I'm opening from the cut-off or button and the BB calls, I expect a pair of Tens or Eights to often be good at showdown.
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by Les_worm
You are going to have to make a straight or flush to win and you need the pot odds to draw to it.
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It depends. If I'm opening from the cut-off or button and the BB calls, I expect a pair of Tens or Eights to often be good at showdown. |
I'm not talking about opening here and personally I wouldn't open with T8s. I am talking about limping after there are already many limpers in the pot. I don't think your hand is good enough here to open raise from CO.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Les_worm
I'm not talking about opening here and personally I wouldn't open with T8s.
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poskid_1982
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I'm not talking about opening here and personally I wouldn't open with T8s. I am talking about limping after there are already many limpers in the pot. I don't think your hand is good enough here to open raise from CO.
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This hand is so easy to let go I'm definately opening with T8s from the CO...Especially with 3 or more in. I want to maximize my potential earning right now. Not to mention that when the rags drop no one is going to believe you anyway. People will chase more and more with money in the pot...Jam it now every time!!! This hand is going to surprise a lot of people when you hit...Making it that much more of a post flop money maker.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Element187
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T8s is a great hand in late position in a NL game.
short handed limit game... muck it, move on.
you can play T8s in a full 9 to 10 player game from CO, the button, and blinds with other limpers... otherwise, muck it.
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05-20-2005, 03:28 PM
Post subject: Re: lost a huge limit pot just now, am i stupid?
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Originally Posted by journey075
guess i shouldve seen it coming, give thoughts you hobags...
playing 5/10L
i have A5s in LP1 and limp. im raised by LP2 and its folded around. i call.
Flop is A52 rainbow. I bet, he raises, i reraise, he caps.
Turn is Q, board is now 2 suited. I bet, he calls.
River is 3, no flush on the board. I bet, he calls.
He shows AA for top set.
I muck 2pr.
should i have considered the possibility that he held 2 aces considering his preflop betting? i figured he had AK or AQ and i was scared of the turn, but since he stopped raising, i guessed my hand was good. in NL i would just chalk this up to me getting reamed, but somehow i think i couldve seen this coming in limit.
so...am i stupid?
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how many player already in the pot before your limp preflop?
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