Originally Posted by Nehmer

You should be happy if you are making more than 1 BB/100 and very happy if you are making over 2 BB/100 in the long run. I will say that anybody who claims to be making 7 BB/100 in the long run at 2/4 is either full of shit or doesn't know what the long run is.

Originally Posted by pokerlearner

I have a related question. Since I am playing B&M only now, what is the reasonable number of hours to at least at least a good enough sample.

We saw in Fnord's sticky that "10000 hands isnt long term" but still usually comment on a guys PokerTracker stats starting from say 5000 or 10000 hands.

What would be a comparable sample in # of hours in a B&M.

Originally Posted by RubixSoHo

I'm genuinely interested in what goals for these low limits should be.

Originally Posted by RubixSoHo

...I would guess that over the long term you're BB/100 would be the stat most reflective of your success, much like your ROI in SnG's, which is why I was asking for a value. (an ROI around 25% at the lower SnG levels is optimial, while at the highest level you'll never see double digits)

I appreciate everyone's sagely advice on "playing well" but I think a quantifier would help put things in perspective. I may think I'm playing well at a given limit but in fact be doing poorly, or I may have a much higher expectation than is realistic and therefore looking to change my game where it may be sound at that level.

Originally Posted by StinkyBeaver

Say to people play the exact same game, do you think they nescisarily have the same winrate after 100K hands or a million hands...? There is much too many things in poker that affects your winrate thus this stats will be the very last number to converge.

Originally Posted by RubixSoHo

I would assume you count on a consistent profit range from one week to the next.

Originally Posted by Fnord

You can't. This is why so few people go pro and fewer can maintain it unless they have a small monthly nut.

Originally Posted by Nehmer

I dont recommend anyone going pro at limits below 5/10 6 max. Although it's possible and you could make a 'respectable' salary, it's definatly too much of a grind.
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While I don't consider myself a pro because I do plan on getting a real job, since I graduated in early May I have been playing poker as my only source of income without seriously looking for a job. I only play 5/10 and know I am making more money than I could get with a real job just out of college. In May and June, I was only playing 3/6 and could easily see people being able to support themselves off of 6 or 7 hours a day of 4-tabling 3/6. Playing 5 hours/day of 5/10 now, my weekly profits vary a lot, but I have never even been close to a losing month and don't foresee it happening much if at all. I just can't consider 5 hours/day of playing poker with a somewhat regular salary to be any more of a grind than 40-50 hours a week of a real job :D

Originally Posted by iopq

You will run worse than you ever expected. 140 table-hours a week = 600 table-hours a month = 3600 hands

a lot of the people here can tell you have had over 5000 hand losing streaks even though they are winning players overall

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Your math is a little off, its supposed to be 36000 hands not 3600... (600*60 = 36000).

Nehmer knows a lot more about poker than a lot of people on this forum realizes.