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sk8r_daniel
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05-08-2010, 11:01 PM
Post subject: Live Upcoming PLO tourny
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There is a 200+20 PLO tourny coming up in my area where I have never heard of anyone playing PLO. I was wondering if anyone knows how these tournaments play.
Will it attract the online sharks or simply be a bunch of wannabe holde'm experts and gamblers? Do players tighten up and just play the nuts or do they overvalue top 2 pair and play weak draws?
Any advice would be much appreciated, since I'm getting backed for this tourny I don't want to screw up. Oh and what is a good cut if someone pays me in full?
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Kijjo
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Where's this event geographically?
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sk8r_daniel
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Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.
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sk8r_daniel
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Yes, I'm Bumping my own thread. I'm just super excited about this tournament and can't wait to finally play PLO live against some hopefully juicy competition.
ATM i'm rereading PLO understanding Winning Play and about to tackle Hwang's Advanced PLO. Also browsing FTR and watching what I can find on youtube...which isn't much.
Has anyone had any tournament experience with PLO? I'm most afraid of when of playing as a short stack and looking for good spots.
for example, if you only have 1 PSB left preflop should you just get it in with any reasonable rundown and hope to get multiway? What kind of range is good for 3 betting preflop allin with 10-12BB?
I have won quite a few tournaments online for small stakes but I find people just play so bad that if you play tight and look for the nuts you end up winning. however I would hate to get blinded away and be around the bubble in situations where I don't really know what I'm doing.
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swiggidy
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All speculation, but...
They are probably horrible, I can't imagine them not being horrible.
They will overvalue top 2, and big pairs. Problem is as the stacks get shorter there isn't too much you can do about this.
If I was playing I would expect people to mostly raise with big pairs. I would expect people to limp/call double suited hands and then get married if they hit a flush draw on the flop.
But I've never played live, so who knows.
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sk8r_daniel
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Yeah, i guess I'll have to figure out how they play when I sit down and just go with it. If they are tight I''ll bluff scare cards. If they are loose/passive and terrible i'll be loving life.
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Kijjo
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I've never heard of or met someone who plays or has played live PLO. I'll be anxious to hear how big a tourney they pull off at that price.
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Is it part of a series? It may be really small, in which case they might be OK. the bigger the better. I don't think you're appreciating the gamble of a plo tourney, you def want them to be tight unless it's a slow structure, and I doubt that.
when it's all in time any suited Ace, any double suited, stuff like KJ86 with a suit, pair plus extra are all fine. If you think you can get folds 3 betting 3 bet everything except trips. run some numbers, you can't be in bad shape, it's why we like PLO. if you blind off outside of the bubble you're done something horribly wrong.
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drmcboy
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played live (cash) plo for first time in vegas last trip, good times, sad results. I am playing the 2.5k WSOP 1/2 plo 1/2 plhe event in June unless I go busto before that. while I was there there was a 'big' (IIRC 500) plo RB event that got like 18 players, this was during the venetian deep stack.
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sk8r_daniel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
Is it part of a series? It may be really small, in which case they might be OK. the bigger the better. I don't think you're appreciating the gamble of a plo tourney, you def want them to be tight unless it's a slow structure, and I doubt that.
when it's all in time any suited Ace, any double suited, stuff like KJ86 with a suit, pair plus extra are all fine. If you think you can get folds 3 betting 3 bet everything except trips. run some numbers, you can't be in bad shape, it's why we like PLO. if you blind off outside of the bubble you're done something horribly wrong.
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They are having a 3 day 300 dollar rebuy holdem tourny the day after the omaha tournament. So its a mini series.
There should be 80 players and the tournament starts at 11am and will end around 7 or 8pm. The blind structure should start relatively slow then speed up when there are 3 tables left.
3betting and building stack early, cool thx for the advice.
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gl, I'm jealous.
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sk8r_daniel
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So here is how the tourny went. I'm home early so you know what that means.
Overall the play was pretty bad. 1 guy had absolutely no clue and re-entered 4 times. He went broke with 1 pair a couple times thinking he had 2 pair. He kept min betting, playing garbage and calling wayy too much. He was obviously a gambler who said he won a million in a slot machine in alberta.
That kind of made it difficult to play unless you had a hand, which I couldn't seem to flop. One of our dealers was really slow and didnt know the rules too well. It took 30min to play the first 9 hands. The few times the bad player got up to re-enter (not a rebuy tourny, no add on either) I bet preflop and cbet to take the pot.
It was also a bit difficult because the most aggresive player was to my left.He cbet me twice and I just folded.
Besides those 2 players, the rest of the table was pretty tight and passive and had a general idea of what type of hands were good. But when it got down to the river they were making bad value bets and calls IMO. For example, one guy called a bet with a weak flush on a paired board for a substantial bet. They were mostly regulars at the 2/5 holde'm game, old rich retirees and semi competent players.
The final hand went something like this:
blinds 150/300
Terrible Players calls
2 calls
Hero completes SB with KsQh6c4h ~5700 chips
BB (aggresive guy)checks.
Flop (1500) 3d5s7d
Hero bets 1100
Aggressive Guy min raises to 2200
3 folds, BTN Calls hesitantly, Hero shoves, BB calls and BTN thinks for a few minutes and im indifferent to if he calls because i know he doesnt have the straight. He has a bunch behind though and BB has him covered. Finally he calls.
turns out BB had bare nut flush draw and BTN had 5769 for top two and gut shot to the nut straight.
Turn is a 5 and im done.
I really wanted to play more aggresively throughout the tournament but I couldn't find a good spot to do so. Either the calling station was in the hand or i just didn't have a hand that had enough equity to check raise the aggresive player to my left. But, thats the way it goes. Hopefully they have another tourny this fall.
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daven
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dude, it's more gamble than you may expect. Only live cash plo i've played is 2-4 euro deepstacked in sweden. Almost every pot was 3-bet pre, there were gamblers in the house and it was ON. I retreated to nice, safe, ez 1-2 holdem.
suggest that you play a bunch of low buyin plo tourneys in the meantime
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