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Old 06-21-2008, 11:41 PM     Post subject: Live, psycho $40/80 #1 (permalink)  
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Ok, here's another crazy 40/80 table. Game is fillied w/ psycho, raise, reraise w/ 95s

CO is crazy-loose pre, and can get pretty aggro. post (overall, really bad, tho).

2 limpers, CO raises, I 3-town w/ black KK's in SB, BB folds... all call

FLOP (4 players)
Ac,2c,4c

I have K c ... and first to act.

All players are too loose, and taking their hands too far. (CO looser-than-loose).

I'm interested to see the different lines you take here.

... After few posts, I'll let you know my line, and thoughts.
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:12 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I lead out and ram and jam this flop. Hope for lots of action. What else are you going to do?
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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put as much money in preflop as possible.
You either lead out and hope CO will raise, or if you think one of the limpers is ready to fire, check/raise. If not sure about the limpers go for the c/r only if they are crazy enough to cold call 2bets on that flop, which is preeety nuts, AND CO WILL fire.

In general, just lead out and see, maybe the raising will be done for you.

On that flop, you have a tremendous ammount of equity, u will win the hand much more than your fair share of the times, so the most bets you get them to put in, the more you win
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i would think you are assuming "psycho" will lead and you c/r flop.

prolly forces you to lead a blank turn, hope "psycho" raises so you can 3bet. if we c/r flop, c/c on turn must look awful. if we cant get it HU, i think we pray for the 4th club and just call down/pay off stupid naked A's so long as its only one bet to us.

i think our best shot at winning w/o a flush is to watch for opportunity to get it HU with the wild one.
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Old 06-22-2008, 04:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Bet/Call. Check/call a missed turn. Probably check/pukefold a missed river depending on opponents, but I guess I wouldn't hate a pukecall either.

I see no real good reason to ram and jam this flop. If we had position I'd be more inclined.
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Old 06-22-2008, 05:12 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Yeah, when I say 'ram and jam' it's on the assumption that none of your opponents will fold if they think they have any chance of winning. But it really depends on who's at your table. Basically against all opponents you want to keep players drawing dead in the pot as long as possible.

So really, you should be ramming and jamming the flop only if you can envisage at least two opponents staying in the pot and from the OP it seems there is a good chance of that since they sound pretty goofy. If limper one is going to stick around to the river with the 5 of clubs no matter what and limper two with 88, and CO is going to raise and re-raise with Ax, I think ramming and jamming the flop is good.

But with semi-conscious opponents (e.g., ones who can fold a mid-low club if there's heavy action on the flop), if I lead out, get one or two callers and CO raises, I pefer just calling to 3betting (since I assume he has Ax and raising to fold out a weaker Ace or worse club makes no sense).

Against tighter/aware opponents, it gets harder. It might be better to play more passively and try to get at least one bet in from each of them on the flop. Leading the flop and having everyone fold but the guy with Ax is obv. not good. It's a four way pot and you can easily represent a hand like TT-KK with no club where you're just going to check and give up, and by doing so try to get a little more action on the flop from dead hands. Only problem with that approach is it pretty much turns your hand over if you check and then call the flop.

Rest of the hand gets interesting.
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Old 06-23-2008, 03:15 AM #7 (permalink)  
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A red K would be an interesting TURN (of events)
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Old 06-23-2008, 05:47 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Bet/Call. Check/call a missed turn. Probably check/pukefold a missed river depending on opponents, but I guess I wouldn't hate a pukecall either.

I see no real good reason to ram and jam this flop. If we had position I'd be more inclined.
At first glance, it seems like simple, standard hand... but kind of gets interesting:

FLOP
Ac,2c,4c

I lead (black K's), two just call .

TURN (3 plrs)
{Ac,2c,4c} 3h

Sooo sick! I HAVE to go passive now, and definitely getting to river, but what's my river line UI (assuming turn doesn't get aggro)

Making puking, crying calls on these types UI rivers make me sick!
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Old 06-23-2008, 02:06 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Nasty card. The only thing you CAN do is check/call. But by now you should have the ~5:1 pot odds to do so.
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:04 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Heh. Who was that guy who always used to jam his draws on the turn? I guess he went broke.
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:38 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I guess I don't understand the reasoning behind trying to blow up the pot on the flop. If we know we are in vs a psycho who is going to give us value with any club on later streets, wouldn't we be better off playing more passively for the times that we are behind which has to be quite often.
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:38 AM #12 (permalink)  
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I guess I don't understand the reasoning behind trying to blow up the pot on the flop. If we know we are in vs a psycho who is going to give us value with any club on later streets, wouldn't we be better off playing more passively for the times that we are behind which has to be quite often?
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:05 AM #13 (permalink)  
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If you have three opponents on the flop and the nut flush draw with two other outs to a set that's probably good, you have enough equity to pump the pot as long as there are at least two players in against you. You don't have to be ahead at the moment.

Also, leading/jamming the flop represents an Ace and so disguises your hand somewhat, meaning if you do hit the flush you're more likely to get paid off.
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:29 AM #14 (permalink)  
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If you have three opponents on the flop and the nut flush draw with two other outs to a set that's probably good, you have enough equity to pump the pot as long as there are at least two players in against you. You don't have to be ahead at the moment.

Also, leading/jamming the flop represents an Ace and so disguises your hand somewhat, meaning if you do hit the flush you're more likely to get paid off.
what he said, plus u may actually have the best hand on the flop, especially against bad players
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Old 06-24-2008, 05:56 AM #15 (permalink)  
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Nasty card. The only thing you CAN do is check/call. But by now you should have the ~5:1 pot odds to do so.
Absolutely agree, but puking, as I DO call.

Turn and river were soooo sick.

Ac,2c,4c,3h

I check, EP checks, crazy, CO bets... I call... EP NOW RAISES . I'm so sick to my stomach, looking at this huge mountain of black, $10 chips...

CO only calls... whhhheeeeeewwwww! I call.

River pairs the board A,2,4,3,2

EP bets, CO NOW FOLDS--- WTF???? (He must've tried some stupid semi-bluff w/ lone club or whatever, who the hell knows).

I'm now on an island all by myself, still staring at all those chips, and thinking,
"I know I'm beat, but look at that pot! It's only one more bet, for all those damn chips..." I CALLLLLLLLLLL.

He flips over 3,4o (turned 2 pair)... river counterfitted... MY HAND GOOOT!!!

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Old 06-24-2008, 06:43 AM #16 (permalink)  
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horror story with hollywood ending! it happens a lot with those crazy players LOL
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:04 AM #17 (permalink)  
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Gotta love guys who limp in on 43.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:41 PM #18 (permalink)  
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never ceases to amaze me why we call with the "sure losing hand" on rivers in big pots. but, when players flip that stuff over, it only reinforces the "dont fold rivers in big pots" rule.

lol. nice drag.
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