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| baudib |
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Villain is a pretty experienced player but can bluff in big spots, can pot/repot without the nuts (3 pair + straight draw or trips low kicker type hands). I admit this is above my bankroll comfort level for Omaha but it's the lowest stakes game available, with tons and tons of dead money on the table. Hero is BTN with $550 and     UTG raises to $5, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises to $15, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls pre: I suppose repotting is standard but this is a good not awesome AA hand, table is very loose preflop and repotting usually gets 5-6 to the flop in $250 pots. Flop:    5 checks, Hero bets $90, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls turn:  UTG+2 checks, Hero checks river:  UTG+2 bets $200, hero? I suppose this is an easy call because my hand can't look this strong, but villain knows I'm fairly tight (relative, at this table) and a nit who doesn't like to make/call big river bets without the nuts, however the only draws on the flop were straight draws and 52 and 65 are there...since he repopped pre lower sets seem unlikely....I figure his reraising range is something like AKJT for two pair than KK65 or something.... |
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| drmcboy |
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This is a pretty terrific AA hand. But assuming you aren't 3/4 betting at all I would not start now. it's even with A2A7ds hot and cold but I think this plays better, esp if people put you on AA because they might make plays on BW boards. call river |
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| KoRnholio |
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I definitely just flat preflop, 4betting to ~$60 mostly just turns 2 cards from our hand face up, which is terrible when our bet is barely 10% of our stack. I flat, and if the action comes back around again preflop, pot/all in! As played, he will have a hand like 8765 here often, but could show up with ATxx or a lower set often enough to make this a profitable call IMO. |
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| swiggidy |
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Note: I've never played live and don't play FR If he had 567 or a flopped straight I would expect a bet because he's got great equity, maybe he knows any A is coming along. I would 3bet pre. Sure it's only 10% of your stack, but with a call, your SPR is like 4, with 2 calls it's 2.5 or so. Your hand is stronger than AA, you can miss the A and still flop a big hand, KJx, nut heart draw, etc. Also you have position, so if the flop sucks you're not making a decision blind (say from the BB on a 8x7s5s flop). |
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| KoRnholio |
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When they suspect or even know you hold AAxx, THEY are the ones benefiting from the low SPR, being able to get it in against us proftiably with any 2 pair or decent draw such as a pair+open ended draw. |
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| drmcboy |
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def don't 3 bet unless you've been 3 betting, but this is a good AA hand to 3 bet if you've done it a lot or shown one or two that were not aces. Also don't three bet if you can't fold post. swigg in addition to possibly getting outplayed, my issue with a 3 bet here is even though we can flop lots of other hands, we will usually make a lot less money with top set, esp if you are in against people who would never dream of not 3 betting AA. Finally being on a short roll, assuming it's a good idea to play the game in that condition (which OP sounds like it is) is a legit reason not to 3 bet as well. |
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| baudib |
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yeah, basically i was freerolling here after moneying in a tournament, the floor manager directed me to the PLO table instead of the $1/$2 NLHE. i was basically nutcamping and avoiding marginal spots by folding almost everything in EP as UTG and UTG+2 were potting almost every hand preflop. |
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| swiggidy |
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Korn, If someone want to call a 3bet and stack off when they hit a pair to out draw your AA that's a good thing. You're getting it in with a 55% edge and dead money. (my thought process for discussion because I'm not positive). It's variance, but this game is variance. Doc, Makes sense, I was thinking from a "my game on-line" bubble, not "live scared money". |
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| KoRnholio |
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Poker Odds Calculator (twodimes.net) pokenum -o ad ah qs th - kc 9c 8d 3h -- 3s 7d 6c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3s 6c 7d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Qs Ad Ah Th 313 38.17 507 61.83 0 0.00 0.382 Kc 9c 8d 3h 507 61.83 313 38.17 0 0.00 0.618 |
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| swiggidy |
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pair + something, I didn't state that clearly. If we expect 3-4 callers I totally agree with you, if we except 1-2 callers I totally disagree with you. I can imagine, FR live 3-4 is probably more likely, 6max online 1-2 is more likely. With a lot of people in it's more likely someone hits something, so more likely you get paid when you hit. With fewer players staying in the pot it seems like there is value to be gained by 3betting pre. I know that's just an example you offered, but I can come up with a bunch of examples where he calls with a decent hand hits a flop they love, and has 40%, for example a rundown that hits an inside 3card nut wrap with top pair (which negates 2 pair outs). Also, it goes with what the doc said, if you're stacking on every 367 then 3betting isn't great. |
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| KoRnholio |
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Reverse implied odds are a bitch, and putting 10% of our stack in is about the worst way to play AAxx preflop. |
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| swiggidy |
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| So we should make our decision without considering the strength of the xx, or our position, and just worry about the 28% of the time that the flop is 9xx or worse and someone leads into us? | ||
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| dsaxton |
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| drmcboy |
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| it isn't bad to 3 bet to put X% in, it's bad to give away your hand by having a 3 bet range of AAxx. | ||
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| KoRnholio |
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| Obviously we don't have to get it in, but the point is if we turn half our hand face up with an SPR of 3-4 in PLO, we're put in a pretty bad spot on most boards. | ||
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| dsaxton |
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| His hand isn't face up. He has nut hearts and some straight possibilities that aren't obvious. It's not like he's 4-betting A-A-2-7 here. Besides, he gives someone the chance to stack off preflop by 4-betting. | ||
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