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outphase

03-14-2006, 03:42 PM Post subject: Live 5/10 hand that sparked discussion

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Here's a hand from last night where at the time, I felt it was the right move, but afterwards I sparked discussion about it. Some of you might find this a boring hand, but here are my thoughts.

MP2 strives for more action that he got at the lower limits, reminded me of Raymer... poker-style and physically.

HJ caught many runner runner flushes and liked suited cards a bit much, also known to play reasonable hands time to time.

I'm in the BB with Js2s.
Preflop: Folds to the MP2, MP2 limps, HJ limps, folds out to me. I check

Flop: 2h 2c 6h
I bet the flop, MP + HJ call.
At this point I figure they've either got over cards, the flush draw or both.

Turn: 7h
I bet, MP raises, HJ 3bets, Action falls back to hero...
So at this point the pot is ~9BB so it's ~4.5:1 on the call, but here's the line of reasoning I laid out.

Standard limping range of the table were suited connectors/low PP/Axs. So I figure MP or HJ has a made flush, but before I called assuming I had 10ish outs to the boat I stopped to realize the following scenarios.

MP/HJ slowplayed 66/picked up 77: This leaves me drawing to only 1 out and definitely not getting the odds to call anymore.

MP/HJ picked up a flush: I'm still reasonably good with 3x 6s, 7s and Js + 1 2.

I also came to the conclusion of 67 being slightly possible, leaving me with only 4 outs. 26/27 (unlikely, but possible when suited), leave me drawing to only 3.

An overzealous 6x/7x leaves me drawing to 7 outs, but that seemed less likely than 27 to me.

If I missed the boat, I'm stuck with trips on a 3flush with 2 reasonably strong hands in a 15BB+ pot likely to face only 1 bet at the river. If I catch the boat (non J), I'm still behind the overzealous 6x/7x/26/27. If 66/77 are out there, I really don't know where I stand. At one point I came up with Ah6x/Ah7x. MP is still left behind to close the action if I flat call, him capping would make me pay 3BB with a definite loser.

In the end, I figured I'd be stuck in a terrible spot if I hit or missed, so facing 2 cold I let it go. Low trips leaves me in a vulnerable position even if I manage to pair the bigger cards (exception goes to the J). If the same situation was with an Ace instead of a 2, I'm not so afraid of the board pairing as it helps me more than with just 222. HJ also had 2BB waiting in his hand while MP was gathering chips for his raise. As soon as MP raised, HJ turned back and got 3BB. This was a huge red flag to me. Given all of this and how HJ never 3bet up to this point, I let it slide and simply folded.

I told my friend at the table before I folded I had a 2 (in another language). He was shocked for a sec, then saw my reasoning, and thus the discussion began.

I know some of you might find this hand boring, but I'd like to hear some thoughts.

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03-14-2006, 05:14 PM

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Here's my only complaint - don't speak in another language at my poker games. I will get pissy. I hate when the two korean guys who frequent the 5/10 game at the casino boat start talking in korean - we all know theyre discussing the hand. Its borderline collusion.

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03-14-2006, 05:18 PM

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At this point, they have no idea your strength in this hand so I'm capping. I have a hard time believing any of them have 66 or 77 and can put them on the boat directly, but the flush is much more like it.

What if the board was 2578 with three to the flush and you had 22 (I consider this situation the same), are you folding the turn when its two back to you? I would hope not....

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03-14-2006, 05:32 PM

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There are too many times you are still ahead or still have 10 clean outs to fold this. Could be a flop slow played overpair as much as a higher set.

outphase

03-14-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by euphoricism

Here's the gray area of the language thing, he wasn't involved in the hand, and I was ready to muck and he looked at me with the inquizitive look so i said "two" in another language as to let him know, but not let the other players know. In the middle of a hand, I personally think it's unkosher to speak in a language where all the players are unfamiliar with it (ie: only English). I make sure that I don't receive information because also uncool. I also know where you're coming from cause there was one time 2 mid-aged Korean guys sat down at a 4/8 table and they were definitely talking about the hands, but they promptly stopped when I faked knowing Korean when I said "hajima!" (stop!). Sorry if I've offended you. Just wanted to let my friend know why I was involved during the hand w/o the 2 crazies finding out.

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In the set situation, I feel it's a little different (although quite similar) as I have a better chance of my outs being cleaner. say the board comes 2578 2/5/7/8 on river, I can assume my hand is good once again. In my hand 2267 6/7 on river, I still can't be sure whether or not my hand would still be good. check/call in order if I catch a 6/7? If I catch the J, I'll know my hand is good and go from there.

I'm trying to discuss the hand to just get a feel as I really haven't been pinned in this situation with more than one player before. If MP flat called and HJ raised, I'd call off 1BB more. If the situation was heads up, I'd figure I can peel off one more. The dilemma came in with 2 players.

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