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socal1111
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06-26-2008, 05:13 AM
Post subject: Live $60/120 Turn
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 191
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UTG: Loose/bad, calling station.
Button: Aggressive, long-term winner.
Not a whole lot of history w/ either one. I haven't played many hands, as this is only the 2nd orbit, I think.
UTG limps (horrible), I raise AJo in CO, Button 3-bets. UTG calls, I call.
{Button could be re-raising because he reads my raise as weak-ish isolation against bad UTG, could just be taking control w/ pos., or could be legit}.
FLOP (3 plrs.)... giving me top 2
Ad,Jd,9s
UTG checks, I check, Button bets.
UTG calls, I raise, Button only calls. Could mean a lot w/ this guy. can't narrow his range much yet.
UTG calls
TURN (3 plrs.)
[Ad,Jd,9s] 7d
UTG checks, I bet ( I don't have diamond), Button RAISES, UTG calls, I???
* At lower limits, this raise is very powerful, but here, he could easily be raising w/ AK, AQ, w/ diamond... Q10 w/ diamond... or trying to squeeze UTG
** I really want to 3-town, and charge UTG max???
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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The more I look at it, the more I feel we are ahead here more often than not. The button sounds like he would 3bet the flop with a hand like KdQd or QdTd, so I'm not too worried about him (99 is possible though). UTG obviously isn't much of a concern to have us beat yet.
I vote 3-town.
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asdpikas
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Full House
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Lead the flop, hope button raises/isolates and utg folds and u 3bet
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DrivingDog
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Location: UK
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What could button have?
FD 3bets the flop, so I'm not worried about a made flush here - at least not from him. I think AK/AQ also 3bet the flop as does a set - waiting for the turn and the third diamond to raise is a bit nonsensical.
Once you c/r the field on the flop, he might put you on the FD or on a decent Ace - A8+. A hand like AA, JJ, 99 caps pre, so he can rule out a set. So I think he probably has two pair here most likely with a diamond - A9, A7, J9 - and figures he's either ahead and/or wants to shut out limpy because his diamond is low.
Since you're ahead of everything but AJ (which you're chopping with), I say 3bet. If you think he'd also play this way with AK/AQ (though I don't know why he would - unless he thinks you're capable of c/ring the flop with Jx), then all the more reason to 3bet.
If he's raising a lone diamond or QT w/diamond etc., he's a bit goofy imo. You're obviously not folding anything you'd c/r the flop with, there's no reason to shut out BB if he's drawing, and he's risking paying 3bets to draw when he could easily draw for one.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of image do you have? It seems you're usually assuming your opponents are treating your raises as potentially light.
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socal1111
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Straight
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Originally Posted by DrivingDog
What could button have?
FD 3bets the flop, so I'm not worried about a made flush here - at least not from him. I think AK/AQ also 3bet the flop as does a set - waiting for the turn and the third diamond to raise is a bit nonsensical.
Once you c/r the field on the flop, he might put you on the FD or on a decent Ace - A8+. A hand like AA, JJ, 99 caps pre, so he can rule out a set. So I think he probably has two pair here most likely with a diamond - A9, A7, J9 - and figures he's either ahead and/or wants to shut out limpy because his diamond is low.
Since you're ahead of everything but AJ (which you're chopping with), I say 3bet. If you think he'd also play this way with AK/AQ (though I don't know why he would - unless he thinks you're capable of c/ring the flop with Jx), then all the more reason to 3bet.
If he's raising a lone diamond or QT w/diamond etc., he's a bit goofy imo. You're obviously not folding anything you'd c/r the flop with, there's no reason to shut out BB if he's drawing, and he's risking paying 3bets to draw when he could easily draw for one.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of image do you have? It seems you're usually assuming your opponents are treating your raises as potentially light.
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To answer your last question first... They're not necessarily treating my raises light, but I think they confuse 'Tight' with 'Weak.' Also, these players are extremely aggr., so I try to post those "weird raising, confusing, why-would-he-do-that" types of hands (wow, hope that made sense )
He is capable of playing AK, AQ, Q10 (one dmnd) this way. This turn is a perfect card for free showdown, especially if he thinks I'm "weak." I don't know that he views me that way, but I DO know that I'm tighter than most at these limits, for better or worse.
W/out question, I was leaning toward 3-betting the turn.
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