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Old 09-22-2005, 11:40 AM     Post subject: Limp, reraise! #1 (permalink)  
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Game #954541184: Texas Hold'em Limit (£3/£6) - 2005/09/22 - 07:27:44 (ET)
Table "Nelson" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: DParadigm (£233.94 in chips)
Seat 2: F1Man (£64.24 in chips)
Seat 3: nutlaw7 (£194.50 in chips)
Seat 4: nitro (£88 in chips)
Seat 5: Stephen04 (£78 in chips)
Seat 6: Pokerbuz (£105.50 in chips)
nitro: posts small blind £1.50
Stephen04: posts big blind £3
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DParadigm [6c 5c]
DParadigm: calls £3
F1Man: folds
nutlaw7: raises £6
nitro: folds
Stephen04: calls £3
DParadigm: raises £6
nutlaw7: calls £3
Stephen04: calls £3
----- FLOP ----- [2d 4d 7h]
Stephen04: checks
DParadigm: bets £3
nutlaw7: calls £3
Stephen04: folds
----- TURN ----- [2d 4d 7h][4s]
DParadigm: bets £6
nutlaw7: calls £6
----- RIVER ----- [2d 4d 7h 4s][Kd]
DParadigm: bets £6
nutlaw7: folds
Returned uncalled bets £6 to DParadigm
DParadigm: doesn't show hand
DParadigm collected £44.25 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £46.50 Main pot £44.25 Rake £2.25
Board [2d 4d 7h 4s Kd]
Seat 1: DParadigm collected £44.25
Seat 2: F1Man folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nutlaw7 (button) folded on the River
Seat 4: nitro (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Stephen04 (big blind) folded on the Flop
****HAND ENDS****
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Old 09-22-2005, 02:04 PM #2 (permalink)  
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borderline spewage.
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It's a stupid play when other people do it too.
 
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:07 PM #4 (permalink)  
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It's a stupid play when other people do it too.
Yeah, I am not going to defend it as a good play, although my play after the flop I think was flawless.

The point of my post was actually to show that this play could be just about anything...
Normally, if I do it, it is a low pocket pair (Michael1123 mentioned that in NL, this play is usually a medium pocket pair)
Though I also have done it with QJs/ TJs if there are a number of limpers and then a raise.

It is not a bad play if:
-You plan on calling the raise
-You think that the fold equity gained post flop is greater than the chips for the raise (1sb)

If you have an opponent that will automatically put you on AA/KK then a limp reraise is obviously MORE profitable than a call.
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Old 09-22-2005, 10:17 PM #7 (permalink)  
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The AA-QQ/AK LRR play is rare enough that I put aggro players on a 22-88 or something suited/connected with lukewarm to weak high card power. Hence, you'll often get capped and/or any 2+2er is probably just going to let you bluff off chips post-flop. The less aware see silly stuff LRRed enough that they won't show you much respect either, or perhaps are even too unaware to know what you're supposed to be representing.

The guys that actually do it with AA-QQ/AK are the 4%ish and under PFR folks who feel they need to be tricky to get action and/or prefer to play unraised pots, smooth call monsters, raise turns and otherwise trap more aggro opponents.

In short, when someone like you does it, you're not reprsenting AA/KK/QQ/AK as much as just chip spewing and killing the implied part of implied odds hands.

Open limping 65s in a 6 handed game, then shifting into pound mode when played back is pretty darn donkish. I see plays like this all the time in 6 max games. Then you guys wonder why I check/call you so much when I run into you at the table...
 
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Old 09-22-2005, 11:45 PM #8 (permalink)  
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The AA-QQ/AK LRR play is rare enough that I put aggro players on a 22-88 or something suited/connected with lukewarm to weak high card power. Hence, you'll often get capped and/or any 2+2er is probably just going to let you bluff off chips post-flop. The less aware see silly stuff LRRed enough that they won't show you much respect either, or perhaps are even too unaware to know what you're supposed to be representing.

The guys that actually do it with AA-QQ/AK are the 4%ish and under PFR folks who feel they need to be tricky to get action and/or prefer to play unraised pots, smooth call monsters, raise turns and otherwise trap more aggro opponents.

In short, when someone like you does it, you're not reprsenting AA/KK/QQ/AK as much as just chip spewing and killing the implied part of implied odds hands.

Open limping 65s in a 6 handed game, then shifting into pound mode when played back is pretty darn donkish. I see plays like this all the time in 6 max games. Then you guys wonder why I check/call you so much when I run into you at the table...

Nice post....hit the nail on the head.......
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