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Old 06-08-2006, 07:27 PM     Post subject: limp/raised PF #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is Button with T, K.
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, MP 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9, K, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, SB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8 BB) A (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB folds, MP calls.

River: (10 BB) 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 10 BB

MP is 85/0
SB is 87/0 (I left after this hand)

What does the limp raise tell me? Is taking the free showdown correct or should I bet the river?
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Old 06-08-2006, 07:37 PM #2 (permalink)  
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It tells you MP is f'n retarded, which is corroborated by the fact that he's an 85/0.

A limp raise generally means a few things:
First off, its often AA, KK, QQ, sometimes JJ and TT, and to a lesser extent AK.
Second off, often it is complete junk. Usually A8o or something retared like that.

Either way, I probably just call down the whole way here.

The way you played it, I think you should have probably checked through the turn and autocalled the river.
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Old 06-08-2006, 08:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I agree with euph, with his stats it is a high pocket pair, and you can call it down or fold if SB checkraises the turn. As played, bet the river. It scared MP enough to have him check/call the turn, and with this board he is narrowing himself to pretty much 10,10-Q,Q.

Question though, why leave this table? You have an ATM to your right and a SB to your left calling any two, and an aggression rating for both that will have them fold anytime they miss. You could raise any two against these guys and know almost exactly what they hold on each flop by how their passive play, and they will fold to your c-bet every time they miss the flop. Its like playing in an ante game where you only have to post the blinds once a round.
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Old 06-08-2006, 10:36 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I've seen some maroons who never raise preflop but always reraise after limping regardless of what they hold. Guess they only like to gambool when they are behind. Pretty much unrelated, but also seen other fools who never raise JJ-AA but always raise and cap 22-TT preflop, regardless of how many people in pot.
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Ltrain: People on your left who will cold call any two and make you take AKo unimproved to the river make poker very taxing to play.
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Ltrain: People on your left who will cold call any two and make you take AKo unimproved to the river make poker very taxing to play.
Yes, but people that call any two from the SB when you raise from the button and then fold when they whiff the flop are golden. You just have to adjust to the fact they will likely coldcall you if they have position on you, and play a little tighter off the button.
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Old 06-09-2006, 07:40 PM #7 (permalink)  
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These players don't generally fold post-flop till the river, assuming they didn't pair any card. This makes is nearly impossible to take down a pot with a c-bet.
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These players don't generally fold post-flop till the river, assuming they didn't pair any card. This makes is nearly impossible to take down a pot with a c-bet.
LTrain was talking about players that he has a read on. The players he knows fold when they whiff. Reads are way more important in 6-max than FR. Getting a quick strong read on the sucker or 2 at the table = most of your winnings.

And in many cases, HU and 3-way, when they always call the c-bet, the c-bet just becomes a value bet. If I have AK 3-way and miss the flop, I'm still betting, even if I know every bit of junk is going to call me. I am still ahead 50% here if no one has pp, and am only contributing 1/3 of the pot. That's a winning play. Added advantage of building a pot the opponents won't want to get away from if I do hit an A or K.
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