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Old 10-06-2005, 12:21 AM     Post subject: Limit Newb ... Raise Big Hands from Small Blind? #1 (permalink)  
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I thought about raising from the SB, but thought I might just create a bigger pot for everyone to chase after, since only the BB might fold to my raise.

Should I have raised just to knock out the BB?

And would the answer change if I was in the BB instead?

***** Hand History for Game 2831474312 *****
$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 05, 20:02:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 25383 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: fp_97 ( $26 )
Seat 10: TheDude808 ( $34.50 )
Seat 4: Zangief00 ( $91.12 )
Seat 9: silencio77 ( $19.25 )
Seat 6: Allin_Dawg ( $24.75 )
Seat 8: governor232 ( $16.90 )
Seat 3: banksrus255 ( $33 )
Seat 2: Dot__Net ( $46.25 )
Seat 1: MichaelR22 ( $22 )
Seat 7: UMGoBlue1997 ( $24.50 )
Zangief00 posts small blind [$0.25].
fp_97 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Zangief00 [ Kh Kc ]
Allin_Dawg folds.
UMGoBlue1997 folds.
governor232 calls [$0.50].
silencio77 folds.
TheDude808 folds.
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MichaelR22 folds.
Dot__Net calls [$0.50].
banksrus255 folds.
Zangief00 calls [$0.25].
fp_97 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, Td, Qs ]
Zangief00 checks.
fp_97 bets [$0.50].
governor232 calls [$0.50].
Dot__Net folds.
Zangief00 raises [$1].
fp_97 calls [$0.50].
governor232 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Zangief00 bets [$1].
fp_97 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
Zangief00 bets [$1].
fp_97 calls [$1].
Zangief00 shows [ Kh, Kc ] a pair of kings.
fp_97 shows [ 6h, Qd ] two pairs, queens and sixes.
fp_97 wins $8 from the main pot with two pairs, queens and sixes.
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Old 10-06-2005, 12:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Raise and hope the BB calls. Your edge here is too good and your opponents will still give you too much action post-flop.

There probably is a mindset thing here.

In NL Tournies you want your opponents to generally fold unless you have a big edge. In NL cash, the (reverse) implied odds tend to favor pushing people out. In cash limit, they can call me all day when I have the best of it.
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Raise and hope the BB calls. Your edge here is too good and your opponents will still give you too much action post-flop.

There probably is a mindset thing here.

In NL Tournies you want your opponents to generally fold unless you have a big edge. In NL cash, the (reverse) implied odds tend to favor pushing people out. In cash limit, they can call me all day when I have the best of it.
Okay, what hands have enough of a pot equity edge that I should do this from the SB or BB?

If there's a sticky or something I should be reading, please point me that way.
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From the SB my range of raising hands is fairly narrow. AA, KK, QQ, AKs are raises, reraises, and caps.

JJ and TT are raisable at times.. I often take the limp and see a flop first, however. Depends on how many people are already in the pot and who is in the pot.
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Assume 3+ other players in the pot.

Pick your list

Fishy B&M wisdom:
Never raise, check your BB without looking.

Pure Value because my opponents don't know any better:
QQ maybe JJ

More aggressive value. Willing to check sometimes with AK when it misses.
JJ/AK/AQs

Really aggressive value with some balancing so they can't put me on AK or a big pair when I raise out of the blinds.
TT/AQ/ATs/KJs/QJs
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