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Old 09-28-2004, 12:09 AM     Post subject: limit impaired... #1 (permalink)  
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after getting worked during a limit session friday night, i think i need some more hand help.

my comments below - thanks in advance!

*i feel good about all of these prefop*

hand 1

flop - betting the pair with 3 to a str - fine.
turn - raising two pair - fine.
river - should i have just called?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is BB with 8, T.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, fishstick checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8, 9, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, fishstick bets, MP3 calls, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, fishstick bets, MP3 calls, SB calls.

River: (6.50 BB) K (3 players)
SB bets, fishstick raises, MP3 folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below:
fishstick has 8h Tc (two pair, tens and eights).
SB has Kd 9d (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: SB wins 10.50 BB.

hand 2

flop - paired the ace (bad kicker) with a backdoor flush, bet's ok?
turn - another heart to my flush draw - call is fine.
river - missed my flush - i should have folded knowing i was out-kicked?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is Button with A, 7.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, fishstick calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 3, J, A (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, fishstick calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9 (3 players)
UTG bets, MP1 calls, fishstick calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 2 (3 players)
UTG bets, MP1 calls, fishstick calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has As 9d (two pair, aces and nines).
MP1 has Th Ad (one pair, aces).
fishstick has Ah 7h (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins 9.75 BB.

hand 3

no issues except i think my response to his turn raise should have been a reraise or fold. agreed?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is Button with A, J.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, fishstick raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T, 5, J (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, fishstick bets, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, fishstick bets, BB raises, fishstick calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
BB bets, fishstick calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Tc 8c (two pair, tens and eights).
fishstick has Ac Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 10.25 BB.

hand 4

should i have just called the river rather than reraising?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is UTG with A, Q. MP3 posts a blind of $1.
fishstick raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 (poster) calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8, 7, A (3 players)
BB checks, fishstick bets, MP3 calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) J (2 players)
fishstick bets, MP3 calls.

River: (6.25 BB) Q (2 players)
fishstick bets, MP3 raises, fishstick 3-bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below:
fishstick has Ah Qc (two pair, aces and queens).
MP3 has 9h 6h (flush, queen high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 12.25 BB.

hand 5

at what point in limit to do you fold an QQ or KK with an ace on the board and someone betting into you - i get this no limit but still overplay these types of pairs in limit.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is Button with Q, Q.
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, fishstick 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG caps, MP1 calls, fishstick calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 5, A, 6 (3 players)
UTG bets, MP1 raises, fishstick calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) T (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, fishstick calls, UTG raises, MP1 calls $1.13 (All-In), fishstick calls.

River: (15.31 BB) J (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, fishstick checks.

Final Pot: 15.31 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Ac Kd (one pair, aces).
MP1 has 4c 8c (high card, ace).
fishstick has Qd Qc (one pair, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins 15.31 BB.
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Old 09-28-2004, 12:16 AM #2 (permalink)  
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You caught a bad run of cards...

Hand 1:
Pot is microscopic. Check/fold and check/call are valid lines here too. So is going for the river over-call.

Hand 2:
Raise the flop or Turn for value and to see where you're at and set-up a river check if your hand doesn't improve.

Hand 3:
Calling down is fine. No need to over-play your hand against a turn raise from a passive (assume without a read) player

Hand 4:
Well played

Hand 5:
Cry and fold the flop. Or maybe 3-bet in hopes of checking through the next street. If he caps call, then fold the turn without a Queen or diamond. edit: Then again, folding the turn/river might be a bad idea given the pot size...
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Old 09-28-2004, 02:52 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Hand 4:
Well played
why 3-bet the river? If someone was calling down with the flush draw, you're just paying them off with the raise...
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Old 09-28-2004, 02:57 AM #4 (permalink)  
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With 3 to the flop, it's more likely 2 pair than a backdoor flush or backdoor broadway. At worst, I think 3-betting is close.
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Old 09-28-2004, 07:20 PM #5 (permalink)  
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thanks fnord. still some tightening to do, and i could have done a few things better, but definitely a bad run of cards.

i'm sure liking QQ a lot less in limit than i do in no limit!
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