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theRevMFB
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08-13-2009, 09:18 PM
Post subject: LHE Tournaments...
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High Card
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Hey guys, still pretty new here (and new to HE) so forgive me if this has been answered before but I couldn't find it using the search.
Do any of you guys know where I can find strategy articles/discussion on LHE MTT's and SNGs? I still have a lot of work to do on my ring game, but I've really enjoyed playing NLHE tournaments and would really like to try out the LHE formats, at least in the small/micro range just to try it out.
I can't find LHE tourny strategy info anywhere on the internet, I know it has to be out there somewhere and if anyone can point me in the right direction it's FTR. Thanks.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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I read an article once on it years ago, but I have no clue where it was 
I've played a few LHE MTTs, one was a live tourny during the Binion's classic last year where I finished around 23rd (top 20 paid). It took forever, but the play was pretty terrible. Only adjustment I saw many people make was often calling a flop bet, then check-folding the turn a very high % of the time. That's in contrast to calling down lightly when the BB is so huge compared to your stack.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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theRevMFB
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High Card
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Thanks for the reply. I guess there just isn't that much info about this format. Well, if that's the only adjustment I need to make then I guess I'll go ahead and give them a shot.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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I don't really know if it's the right adjustment or not. With a good sized stack you probably have more fold equity than normal. With the exceptions of stacks of 2-3BB on the flop, which are just looking to double up when the pot is already the size of their stack.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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arborman
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 300
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LHA tourneys and SNGs can be very profitable - largely because there are no articles, books or even forums discussing how to play them.
Most players are LHE ring players who don't understand tournament dynamics, and have no idea how to adjust their play to rising bet sizes. Play that works in a ring game and in the early stages of an sng is suicide later on.
I've played in hundreds of them and can give a couple of quick tips:
1. Supertight in the beginning (as with all SNGs). Lots of sng players will play a lot of hands in the beginning, and some of them will amass decent stacks. Let them - don't pay them off with their draws and weak 2 pair hands. They will pay you off later when the bet sizes are too big for speculative hands. Spend the first 1/3 of the tourney watching the other players to see what they do on the turn and river. Do they checkraise when they hit that second pair? Do they never fold a pair? Do they slowplay the nuts and let aggressive players pay them off?
2. Later in the tourney. Open up a bit - against the right players. Don't bother stealing against the stations who call down anything. Bully the people who call anything preflop and fold when they miss the flop. And - this is crucial - take the chips away from those guys with big stacks they amassed while chased all those weak draws in the early stages. Play strong hands fast and hard, and let the bet sizes eat their stacks.
3. Tarping. Against aggressive players, the slowplay is very useful in lhe sngs. Let them keep firing into your set or 2 pair. Checkraises are great when the bet sizes are huge - most ring players reflexively call a checkraised turn even when it is half their stack size. If you have the nuts and an aggressive player is betting into you, let him. I know because this has worked against me many times, and it has also let me double and triple up many times as well. Slowplaying is particularly well suited to late stage limit sngs, because they will kill their stacks by inches.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
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LHA tourneys and SNGs can be very profitable - largely because there are no articles, books or even forums discussing how to play them.
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GOSPEL right here. wouldnt believe the easy play at lots of stuff because of the lack of education. razz and stud immediately come to mind, too. even omaha.
you wanna find the fish? jump in a low stakes HORSE game after the WSOP aired its HORSE tourney. they jump right into your boat.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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arborman
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Flush
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I know I'd be a fish in a horse tourney. I haven't taken the time to learn the odds etc. in Omaha, stud or razz at all. Maybe that will be my project next time I get bored of ring lhe and lhe sngs.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Originally Posted by arborman
I know I'd be a fish in a horse tourney. I haven't taken the time to learn the odds etc. in Omaha, stud or razz at all. Maybe that will be my project next time I get bored of ring lhe and lhe sngs.
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you would actually be very, very surprised.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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DrivingDog
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 923
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The $11 LHE daily tourney at Stars attracts so many lolbad players i can't even begin to describe it. If there was a level below .01/.02 in a ring game they would be at it. I would play more of those tourneys if they didn't take so long and I was drunk more often.
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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asdpikas
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2007
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very profitable!
arborman gives very good advise there.
I just find they are a bit too long, but still, i play them once in a while.
Still a small sample, but my roi is 40.5 over 154 tourneys and SnGs. More important is the feeling i get of swimming in an aquarium every time i sit down to play one of those.
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"could I take out every woman and child in a border town?"
For the right to be governed, waste them without mercy.
When you've decided. Meet me at the airport.
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arborman
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Originally Posted by asdpikas
very profitable!
arborman gives very good advise there.
I just find they are a bit too long, but still, i play them once in a while.
Still a small sample, but my roi is 40.5 over 154 tourneys and SnGs. More important is the feeling i get of swimming in an aquarium every time i sit down to play one of those.
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They can be long, for sure. I usually play two or three at a time, making sure I am HU at different times.
Most ring players have no idea how to play when it gets down to 3 people. Once in awhile one of them will kill me off with a set, but mostly they pay off against my aggression.
I always did alright at NL SNGs, but my ROI there is nothing compared to my ROI in LHE SNGs (also about 50% over several hundred tourneys). That said, as with all LHE, variance can be a bitch - I've lost dozens in a row making legitimate plays (but at other times cashed in dozens).
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
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dont forget half of your villains are players that misclicked the NL tourney. and, yes, they are crazy looooong to play. that's why they arent more popular with me.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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