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Fnord

05-20-2004, 04:28 AM Post subject: LHE: Pain and suffering

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

To bring in the new emoticons, 4 out of my 8 AA hands.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is CO with A

, A

.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, Fnord 3-bets, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3

, T

, 7

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord bets, MP2 raises, Fnord 3-bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) T

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Fnord bets, MP2 raises, Fnord calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 9

(2 players)
MP2 bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP2 shows Ac Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Fnord shows Ad As (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: MP2 wins 12.75 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with A

, A

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Fnord raises, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 3

, 2

, K

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Fnord bets, Button calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 9

(3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, Button calls, BB folds.

River: (7.75 BB) A

(2 players)
Fnord bets, Button raises, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows Ah As (three of a kind, aces).
Button shows 7d 6d (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins 11.75 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is SB with A

, A

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Fnord 3-bets, BB folds, MP2 caps, Button calls, Fnord calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5

, Q

(3 players)
Fnord bets, MP2 calls, Button raises, Fnord calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 6

(3 players)
Fnord checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, Fnord calls, MP2 raises, Button calls, Fnord calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 2

(3 players)
Fnord checks, MP2 bets, Button folds, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows As Ad (two pair, aces and queens).
MP2 shows Qh Qs (four of a kind, queens).
Outcome: MP2 wins 17.50 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is SB with A

, A

. MP posts a blind of $2.
UTG folds, MP (poster) checks, Button calls, Fnord raises, BB calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7

, 9

, 4

(4 players)
Fnord bets, BB calls, MP folds, Button raises, Fnord 3-bets, BB folds, Button caps, Fnord calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 8

(2 players)
Fnord bets, Button raises, Fnord calls.

River: (12.50 BB) K

(2 players)
Fnord checks, Button bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below:
Button shows 9s 4c (two pair, nines and fours).
Fnord shows Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Button wins 14.50 BB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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fishstick

05-20-2004, 03:25 PM

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this (no foldem limit) is what i've been complaining about. with the exception of QQ, none of those guys should have been staying in the hand to PFR's.

hand 1

i wouldn't raise AT in middle position, and certainly wouldn't call a reraise

hand 2

he called a PFR with 67 suited? and then calls a bet with only a backdoor flush? yikes!

hand 3

QQ - ok, well played on the other guys part.

hand 4

button calls a PFR with 94 off - ahhhhhhhhh!

at least in NL, you can really make these types of players pay.

evilevilmatt

05-20-2004, 04:45 PM

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Thems some bad beats. What happened the other four times?
Hopefully somethng like this.

Now with more Evil and a side of Hatred

johnnyawe

05-20-2004, 07:42 PM

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Fnord, go back to NL.

heatman

05-20-2004, 08:15 PM

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Ditto.

"Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art..."

Fnord

05-20-2004, 08:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNatural

Fnord, go back to NL.

Why, my limit game is not that amazing and I'm destroying the game at 3BB/100 hands.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishstick

at least in NL, you can really make these types of players pay.

Idiot money finds its way to you in both games. Consider this, you got AA and raise it up. Idiot calls. You bet out pot on a safe looking flop, idiot goes over the top. How exactly are you making him pay?

I'm having an easier time with the weak/tight players in limit than I do in NL. So rather than waiting in line for a fish to bite on a strong holding, I can fish and effectivly pick on the rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

toekneechin

05-21-2004, 02:09 AM

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you can try moving up to higher limits if your bankroll can take it. I'm doing 5-10 now and averaging about 3BB/100 after 2k hands. Granted the pots are smaller as the people are tighter but at least people won't be calling preflop raises with crap. It's even possible to steal on the flop and get away with it profitably.

Fnord

05-21-2004, 07:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by toekneechin

All things being equal, I'd rather see them call me down with crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

05-21-2004, 08:22 AM

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My aces are making money!

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is Button with A

, A

.
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Fnord calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7

, 2

, T

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Fnord raises, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, Fnord caps, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 4

(2 players)
UTG checks, Fnord bets, UTG calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 2

(2 players)
UTG bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below:
UTG shows Kd Kc (two pair, kings and twos).
Fnord shows Ac Ad (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: Fnord wins 11.25 BB.

I think I could have raised the river for value here. Easy to put UTG on a big pocket pair and I wasn't buying trip 2s.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is BB with A

, A

. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO (poster) folds, Button folds, SB folds, Fnord 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A

, 8

, 9

(3 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Fnord calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 9

(3 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Fnord calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (8.75 BB) K

(2 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows Ac Ah (full house, aces full of nines).
MP1 shows Tc Ts (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Fnord wins 10.75 BB.

MP1 was an aggressive player, hence the slow play. I didn't want to kick the 3rd player out of the hand too early

Tough decisions getting value on this hand. Went for the overcall on the flop and turn. I could have gone for a check-raise on the river, but I feared he might check out on me and there were enough possible hands that would raise into a possible 3-bet or cap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Toasty

05-21-2004, 08:45 AM

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Why did you only call a raise on the 1st winning aces hand instead of 3 betting it ?

Also, when you flopped an ace for 3oak and the board pairs on the turn why didn't you re-raise? Was it a tight table ? I can see how representing the 9s may push people out, but i still think a raise here would get more bets in the long term.

Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .

Fnord

05-21-2004, 09:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Toasty

Why did you only call a raise on the 1st winning aces hand instead of 3 betting it ?

It's already a raised pot. No way the SB is calling with anything but a solid hand, so I figured a loose BB will call with trash and maybe call me down. I figure being 3 way with aces is better than heads up since my hand is so strong. Furthermore, I conceal the strength of my hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toasty

Also, when you flopped an ace for 3oak and the board pairs on the turn why didn't you re-raise? Was it a tight table ? I can see how representing the 9s may push people out, but i still think a raise here would get more bets in the long term.

At that point I was 99.9% sure I had the best hand. It's a matter of profit then. I figured my best chance was going for the overcall. A raise might not only force out UTG+1, it might also scare off MP1. Which, if I didn't have a lock on the hand would be fine, but in this case taking down the pot on the turn would have been a disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

johnnyawe

05-21-2004, 06:17 PM

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Pardon my ignorance, but does this BB/100 figure mean? What is BB? Big bet? Is the figure how many bets you make per 100 hands? How many bets you win per 100 hands? What is it?

Fnord

05-21-2004, 08:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNatural

Pardon my ignorance, but does this BB/100 figure mean? What is BB? Big bet? Is the figure how many bets you make per 100 hands? How many bets you win per 100 hands? What is it?

Number of Big Bets I make. For the 2/4 table, that's $12/100 hands. That being said, I haven't really run bad yet, so 2BB/100 is a more realistic target unless I can fix up some leaks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

ttanaka

05-21-2004, 09:00 PM

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Hey Fnord,

How long does it usually take to play 100 hands? Sounds like you're doing quite well at limit. I actually played a little limit recently, I thought I'd try PacficPoker out, see what they offered. It wasn't much, they didn't even have NL tables, so I was playing the $1-2 limit tables.

It was actually kinda fun playing limit again, haven't played in about 8 months. I got outdrawn a few too many times, and could only play 1 table at a time over there, so I decided to quit and cashout... up $12 after about 45 minutes of play... LOL. Didin't even stick around to earn my bonus.

I actually hit a Royal Flush in those 45 minutes though!! Unfortunately, there wasn't much of a pot, only about $10.

Xianti

05-21-2004, 09:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ttanaka

I actually hit a Royal Flush in those 45 minutes though!!

Wow. Nice. I've yet to see the Royal.

Fnord

05-21-2004, 09:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ttanaka

How long does it usually take to play 100 hands? Sounds like you're doing quite well at limit. I actually played a little limit recently, I thought I'd try PacficPoker out, see what they offered. It wasn't much, they didn't even have NL tables, so I was playing the $1-2 limit tables.

Single table, a couple hours. Not amazing, but I'm finding that durring non-peak times the LHE tables are softer than the full NL/PL tables.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

05-21-2004, 09:36 PM

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Quote:

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Wow. Nice. I've yet to see the Royal.

Seen it, never had it. It's funny, some hands sound sexy, but just don't get paid off often enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Xianti

05-21-2004, 09:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

It's funny, some hands sound sexy, but just don't get paid off often enough.

True that. I've hit a straight-flush to Queen once on PP, but no one else had much of a hand.

Toasty

05-24-2004, 02:14 PM

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The closest I've come to a SF is folding a T7 od D for the flop to come, 978 of diamonds, was a huge pot too as someone had trips and another had the nut flush.

Was a good fold though . . . longterm

Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .

Fnord

05-28-2004, 02:17 AM

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Had my first major downswing, lost $136.00 in 65 hands. Then proceeded to win most of it back in the next couple hundred hands. Win rate is down to a mortal 2.68BB/100

Here is a real heartbreaker, river cost me $71

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is SB with K

, K

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, Fnord 3-bets, BB folds, MP1 caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Fnord calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 8

, 2

, 6

(4 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 4

(4 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (14.50 BB) J

(4 players)
Fnord checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
MP1 shows Kc Qd (high card, king).
MP2 shows 6s Js (two pair, jacks and sixes).
MP3 shows Kh 9s (high card, king).
Outcome: MP2 wins 18.50 BB.

The funny part is MP2 probably had the 2nd best chance of winning pre-flop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

toekneechin

05-30-2004, 10:01 AM

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sometimes you have to wonder....

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Kd, Qs.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) Qc, Qh, 4h (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4d (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 5s (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB
Main Pot: 10.50 BB, between UTG+1, MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (10.50 BB).

Results in white below:
UTG+1 shows Kh Kc (two pair, kings and queens).
MP1 shows Th As (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero shows Kd Qs (full house, queens full of fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.50 BB.

Fnord

05-30-2004, 11:33 AM

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Looks like UTG+1 went for a limp/re-raise and it went rather badly. Although I would have fallen for it hook, line and sinker by raising pre-flop. KQo is the kind of hand I want to be driving with, also it would have sent a clear signal to the Button + SB to piss off.

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