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Fnord

09-13-2004, 01:53 AM Post subject: LHE: A lesson in slow play

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Don't

Both opponents are LooPy. I took a pass on the bullet in the back...

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with 8

, A

.
UTG folds, Fnord calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8

, A

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 5

(3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls, BB raises, Fnord 3-bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

River: (13 BB) 4

(3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, MP2 folds, BB raises, Fnord 3-bets, BB caps, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 4c Ad (full house, aces full of fours).
Fnord has 8c Ac (full house, aces full of eights).
Outcome: Fnord wins 21 BB.

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Fnord

09-14-2004, 06:35 AM

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*bump* and I'll keep bumping until you fish stop check/calling monsters against players that play too many hands and call too darn much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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09-14-2004, 01:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

*bump* and I'll keep bumping until you fish stop check/calling monsters against players that play too many hands and call too darn much.

So I take it you were insulted to be called down all the way to the river? I'm not understanding your post. A little enlightenment, my dyslexia is kicking in. :P

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09-14-2004, 01:09 PM

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People keep posting monster hands that they slow play. Fnord is saying there is absolutly no need to slow play in LLHE as they will call/raise you down with worse hands anyway.

And I agree. (Well that's what I think he's saying.)

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09-14-2004, 01:10 PM

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Ahhhhh.......now I get it. A lesson on slowplaying.

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mike4066

09-14-2004, 02:22 PM

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He's bumping it because I posted a flopped Quad King hand and Checked the flop in early position.

Funny thing about his flopped monster, there were no preflop raises, also another player has a big pice of this flop and rivered an even bigger piece.

Of course it went throught the roof, it finished full boat over full boat.

You played it straight forward, he played it poorly. His bad play actually saved him 1/2 bet.

He didn't slow play a monster and you caught up to him. You both flopped it and he caught up.

But your point is you'll get action regardless of what you do. Of course you'll get action if you opponent flops trips.

Fnord

09-14-2004, 03:34 PM

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By playing it fast MP2 chased along for the ride...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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09-14-2004, 04:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

*bump* and I'll keep bumping until you fish stop check/calling monsters against players that play too many hands and call too darn much.

The beatings shall continue until moral improves.

Haha, sorry couldn't resist.

fishstick

09-14-2004, 07:42 PM

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i'll agree with fnord on fast versus slow at these lower limits. i suck at limit, yet basically ran over this table for a half an hour until it broke up. i've never seen so much check/limping, and then calling a bet or two bet.

i don't think they liked me!

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is MP1 with K

, J

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, fishstick raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 8

, 9

, T

(5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, fishstick bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, fishstick calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) Q

(4 players)
UTG checks, fishstick bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, UTG folds, fishstick 3-bets, MP3 folds, Button calls.

River: (17.25 BB) 4

(2 players)
fishstick bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 19.25 BB

Results in white below:
fishstick has Kh Jh (straight, king high).
Button has Jc Js (straight, queen high).
Outcome: fishstick wins 19.25 BB.

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Fnord

09-14-2004, 07:46 PM

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It.... just.... brings a tear to my eye....

Very well played!

edit: As a side note, someone on 2+2 pointed out that after turning the nuts betting out and then 3-betting is tricky, where-as check/raising is straight forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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09-14-2004, 07:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

It.... just.... brings a tear to my eye....

Very well played!

thank you mr fnord - i couldn't have done it without you (and toasty)!

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09-14-2004, 10:25 PM

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Advice taken to heart, results: FNORD IS RIGHT

I was raising the whole way down hoping for the boat, but as it turns out I didnt need it. They will raise into you with nothing, and another one will call, when stuck in a raising war, with a mediocre hand/draw. Fun stuff!

Should I have raised on the river as well? I think not becasue with two in there and 4 to a straight on the board, I can easily be beaten. I wasnt to worried about the backdoor flush.

***** Hand History for Game 947071789 *****
0.50/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Tue Sep 14 16:46:21 EDT 2004
Table Table 11328 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: AcuraRsxS ( $8)
Seat 2: BO2004SOX ( $14.75)
Seat 3: Hearts4Dweeb ( $34.50)
Seat 4: uberFoo ( $49.50)
Seat 5: stevedonel ( $9)
Seat 6: depthcharge6 ( $8)
Seat 7: Maxx_74 ( $21.50)
Seat 8: MrFunman ( $14.50)
Seat 9: goat13420 ( $15)
Seat 10: jacobsdad ( $13.50)
uberFoo posts small blind (0.25)
stevedonel posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to stevedonel [ Kh, Kc ]
depthcharge6 calls (0.50)
Maxx_74 raises (1) to 1
MrFunman folds.
goat13420 calls (1)
jacobsdad folds.
AcuraRsxS folds.
BO2004SOX folds.
Hearts4Dweeb folds.
uberFoo folds.
stevedonel raises (1) to 1.50
depthcharge6 calls (1)
Maxx_74 raises (1) to 2
goat13420 calls (1)
stevedonel calls (0.50)
depthcharge6 calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, Th, Qd ]
stevedonel bets (0.50)
depthcharge6 calls (0.50)
Maxx_74 raises (1) to 1
goat13420 calls (1)
stevedonel raises (1) to 1.50
depthcharge6 calls (1)
Maxx_74 raises (1) to 2
goat13420 calls (1)
stevedonel calls (0.50)
depthcharge6 calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9h ]
stevedonel bets (1)
depthcharge6 calls (1)
Maxx_74 raises (2) to 2
goat13420 folds.
stevedonel calls (1)
depthcharge6 calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 4h ]
stevedonel checks.
depthcharge6 checks.
Maxx_74 bets (1)
stevedonel calls (1)
depthcharge6 calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $24.25 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Kd Th Qd 9h 4h ]
AcuraRsxS balance $8, didn't bet (folded)
BO2004SOX balance $14.75, didn't bet (folded)
Hearts4Dweeb balance $34.50, didn't bet (folded)
uberFoo balance $49.25, lost $0.25 (folded)
stevedonel balance $26.25, bet $7, collected $24.25, net +$17.25 [ Kh Kc ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Kh,Kc,Kd,Qd,Th ]
depthcharge6 balance $1, lost $7 [ Qc Ad ] [ a pair of queens -- Ad,Kd,Qc,Qd,Th ]
Maxx_74 balance $14.50, lost $7 [ 8d Ac ] [ high card ace -- Ac,Kd,Qd,Th,9h ]
MrFunman balance $14.50, didn't bet (folded)
goat13420 balance $11, lost $4 (folded)
jacobsdad balance $13.50, didn't bet (folded)
CARDSON

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Fnord

09-14-2004, 10:39 PM

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I might put in one more raise on the turn depending on my read. Nice pot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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stevedonel

09-16-2004, 04:58 AM

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Their boundless stupidity continues!!
CARDSON
***** Hand History for Game 952089675 *****
max689 has left the table.
0.50/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Sep 15 23:14:18 EDT 2004
Table Money Plant (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: stevedonel ( $19.25)
Seat 2: kdrock ( $8.25)
Seat 4: BillyStowe77 ( $21.50)
Seat 5: ChipLeaderM ( $18.50)
Seat 6: J_MAN_2X ( $20.25)
Seat 7: sherri9169 ( $48.50)
Seat 9: sheila112498 ( $6)
Seat 10: THE__R ( $49.50)
stevedonel posts small blind (0.25)
kdrock posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to stevedonel [ 9s, Ac ]
BillyStowe77 calls (0.50)
ChipLeaderM calls (0.50)
J_MAN_2X calls (0.50)
sherri9169 folds.
THE__R folds.
stevedonel calls (0.25)
kdrock checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qd, 9d, Js ]
stevedonel bets (0.50)
kdrock folds.
BillyStowe77 calls (0.50)
ChipLeaderM calls (0.50)
J_MAN_2X folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
stevedonel checks.
BillyStowe77 checks.
ChipLeaderM checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Jh ]
stevedonel bets (1)
BillyStowe77 folds.
ChipLeaderM calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $5.50 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ Qd 9d Js 2c Jh ]
stevedonel balance $22.75, bet $2, collected $5.50, net +$3.50 [ 9s Ac ] [ two pairs, jacks and nines -- Ac,Js,Jh,9s,9d ]
kdrock balance $7.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
Vinmister98 balance $10, sits out
BillyStowe77 balance $20.50, lost $1 (folded)
ChipLeaderM balance $16.50, lost $2 [ 8h Kh ] [ a pair of jacks -- Kh,Qd,Js,Jh,9d ]
J_MAN_2X balance $19.75, lost $0.50 (folded)
sherri9169 balance $48.50, didn't bet (folded)
MATLOCK101 balance $25, sits out
sheila112498 balance $6, sits out
THE__R balance $49.50, didn't bet (folded)

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