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Old 05-16-2004, 02:48 AM     Post subject: LHE hands for review #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Ad, Qd.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) Jh, Th, Qs (5 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 3d (4 players)
MP1 bets $1 (All-In), MP3 calls, Hero completes, Button raises, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 9c (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 shows 7s Kh (straight, king high).
Hero shows Ad Qd (one pair, queens).
Button shows Ks Kd (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins 12.12 BB. MP1 wins 6.62 BB.

Hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Jc, Jh.
UTG folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 9c, 3c, Ah (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6c (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.75 BB) Td (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero shows Jc Jh (one pair, jacks).
Button shows As Qd (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Button wins 7.75 BB.

Hand 3

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Js, Jh.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8h, Tc, Qd (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) 6s (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls, UTG calls.

River: (14.75 BB) Ad (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero folds, MP3 calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 shows 8s 8c (three of a kind, eights).
MP3 shows Qh Th (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 16.75 BB.
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Old 05-17-2004, 11:24 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I can't question your play on hands 1&2, the same as I would have played it.

Number 3 with so many callers on the flop I would put at least 1 person on a queen (I think you did too) and would fold on the turn, but you had a belly buster so I would have probably played it the same as you and stayed with the JJ until the river card.

Good solid play Fnord.
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Old 05-17-2004, 07:05 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I don't like my play on the first hand and am taking it as a case study on when to laydown top pair.

The button 3-bet, which puts him on at worst AQ/AJ. Most likely AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK. On the flop ALL of these hands beat me really badly, like nearly drawing dead bad. 5 players saw the flop, with flush and straight draws out.

Bottom line is either I'm a little ahead or really far behind. I think I have to fold this one.

On the third hand, I raised the flop for information and the 3-bet told me I was very likely behind. From then on I'm at 4 good outs and 2 marginal ones, close call/fold decision with such a big likely pot. Once the Ace hit on the river I knew it wasn't even worth a crying call.
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Old 05-17-2004, 08:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i don't usually play limit - but my two cents:

hand 1

i don't know if i would have raised the flop or the turn, but i would have gone to showdown. with top pair/ace kicker, and 4 outs to make the nut str, i would have played it all the way.


hand 2

hands like this are the bane of my existence - i just don't know what to do! i probably would have checked the flop and folded to a bet???

hand 3

i would have dumped the jacks to utg + 1's reraise on the flop. i would have figured at least top pair.

these are all debatable hands in terms of "correct" play - all tough calls.
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Old 05-17-2004, 08:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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i don't usually play limit - but my two cents:
hand 1

i don't know if i would have raised the flop or the turn, but i would have gone to showdown. with top pair/ace kicker, and 4 outs to make the nut str, i would have played it all the way.
Sometimes TPTK is no good, this is one of those times. Just about everything screamed I was beat. My raise on the flop was for information and to punish draws, if I got re-raised (as I would think KK would want to do here) it would have been an easy fold. In retrospect, that board is so scary, better hands may not want to re-raise. Although, generally I'm going to call I think about betting/raising instead.

The turn looked blank and MP1's partial bet gave me no information, he could have thrown in his last chip with anything (and did), so I figured I'd finish the bet then see what the button does. Then I failed to act on his line of a cold call followed by a raise.

If I ever run into a similar situation again (multi-pot with AQ and a QJT flop, particularly 1 or 2 suited), I'm folding. I just don't see the profit here.

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hands like this are the bane of my existence - i just don't know what to do! i probably would have checked the flop and folded to a bet???
Thankfully, this wasn't No Limit. I bet the flop hoping to take it down right there. His call gave me no information as it could represent any number of hands. The club on the turn is scary and it was my best chance to fold. I decided to call it down (my Jc might be a good draw) and from there the river was a no-brainer.

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i would have dumped the jacks to utg + 1's reraise on the flop. i would have figured at least top pair.
Tough, tough call. My Jacks still *might* be good. My gutshot is probably good (rainbow flop.) 2 outs to a set *might* be good. Factoring it all in I figured it was worth buying the turn + river. Between the misses and the Ace on the river I knew I was no good then.
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Old 05-17-2004, 09:21 PM #6 (permalink)  
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what i can't seem to figure out in low limit HE is what a call/bet means?

the ability to greatly vary your bets/raises in NL can provide a fair amount of information. especially if you you've established someone as "plays good cards/solid hands" or "big chaser" or "really tight" or "plays anything".

with low limit HE, unless i have the nut hand, i really don't feel like i know what's going on (where i stand in the hand), especially when people are just calling.

and i really would like to play some limit.
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what i can't seem to figure out in low limit HE is what a call/bet means?

the ability to greatly vary your bets/raises in NL can provide a fair amount of information. especially if you you've established someone as "plays good cards/solid hands" or "big chaser" or "really tight" or "plays anything".

with low limit HE, unless i have the nut hand, i really don't feel like i know what's going on (where i stand in the hand), especially when people are just calling.

and i really would like to play some limit.
Play tight, raise a lot (they're calling anyway.) Slow play is refraining from capping the flop so you are more likely to get more bets in on the turn/river. Fold/raise early, call late unless it's hopeless. Chase anything on pot odds, strong draws gain a lot of value with so many callers. Check + Call LAg on as little as second pair heads up or perhaps even 3-way. Thin raising is also occasionally a useful weapon.

NLHE comes down to a playing a few key hands right. LHE is more about consistancy since the size of a single given mistake is smaller relative to other decisions. Hand 1 is about as bad of a mistake as you can make in LHE.
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Play tight, raise a lot (they're calling anyway.) Slow play is refraining from capping the flop so you are more likely to get more bets in on the turn/river. Fold/raise early, call late unless it's hopeless. Chase anything on pot odds, strong draws gain a lot of value with so many callers. Check + Call LAg on as little as second pair heads up or perhaps even 3-way. Thin raising is also occasionally a useful weapon.

NLHE comes down to a playing a few key hands right. LHE is more about consistancy since the size of a single given mistake is smaller relative to other decisions. Hand 1 is about as bad of a mistake as you can make in LHE.
i've been wanting to for awhile (and the cards have gone cold in my NL and SNG's), so think i'll give limit HE a try again. in the past, i haven't done badly, i just couldn't seem to make any money at it (broke even).

if i get baffled, can i hit you up for some hand analysis?
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if i get baffled, can i hit you up for some hand analysis?
Nahh... I think 450 posts is enough....
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Old 05-17-2004, 11:46 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Nahh... I think 450 posts is enough....
do i need to fill out a banning request form on you to?

my list just keeps getting longer...
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