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Old 09-15-2004, 03:21 AM     Post subject: LHE: Funny game... #1 (permalink)  
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Table has some LooPy spots...

Hand 1:

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with A, K.
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Fnord 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, Fnord calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 4, K, 8 (4 players)
Fnord checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Fnord raises, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 9 (4 players)
Fnord bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Fnord is UTG with J, J.
Fnord raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 5, Q, 6 (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Fnord folds...
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Old 09-15-2004, 03:29 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - What were they going after? I guess it's just hard to think of 2 people call call call and then fold at the river.

Hand 2 - I'm surprised you folded here. It wouldn't surprise me if SB had a Q, but I'd expect you to peek at another card.
I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
 
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Old 09-15-2004, 03:36 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I think in hand 2 you either have to raise or fold. With so many to act after it was a good fold. Over's still out there and bad position. Fnord?
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Old 09-15-2004, 03:40 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - What were they going after? I guess it's just hard to think of 2 people call call call and then fold at the river.
Gotta love LooPy players. Although my Aggro river play may not have worked out here. Still I expect *any* hand with a prayor to make this call. I thought the most interesting decision was on the flop. Any comments?

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Hand 2 - I'm surprised you folded here. It wouldn't surprise me if SB had a Q, but I'd expect you to peek at another card.
Reverse implied odds.

If anyone has a Queen or better, I have ~7.5% equity.
If anyone has a flush draw, I'm down to well under 45% equity by the time you count overs.

Already my position looks dubious. Now throw in that the SB (minus a read) is almost always betting out at least a flush draw, probably at least a Queen into me (the pre-flop aggressor who *loves* to raise.) Then factor in the 2 players behind me remaining to act (hey LooPy players catch good hands too, and love to cold-call with them.) Finally, consider that my next best play here it to raise, like Golfer said. It could get expensive to continue and I probably would pay-off.

However, if my call closed the action, I would call and see the turn...
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I thought the most interesting decision was on the flop. Any comments?
I'm still in my limit state of mind, so I'm going to explain, not comment. Just to make sure I am understanding.

Your check was to see what else is out there. Then a raise and a couple of calls. You know your hand is good. The raise will tell you how good. Everyone just called your raise that was exactly what you wanted. No 3-bets means you probably have the best hand.

Then at the turn and river you bet it out. I assume you would 3-bet it if given the opportunity, but be scared of a cap. Since that didn't happen, you knew you owned the hand.
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I'm against it.
 
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Old 09-15-2004, 04:10 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Your check was to see what else is out there. Then a raise and a couple of calls. You know your hand is good. The raise will tell you how good. Everyone just called your raise that was exactly what you wanted. No 3-bets means you probably have the best hand.
I'm looking to protect my TPTK and a single bet into this pot doesn't even defend against a 2 outer. My intention was to raise the capper (if he has Aces, so be it, but cc/raise is often something silly.) When the bet came from the next player to act, that went out the window. Since I couldn't protect my hand, I just built a pot instead. Then I took over the hand on the Turn...

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Then at the turn and river you bet it out. I assume you would 3-bet it if given the opportunity, but be scared of a cap. Since that didn't happen, you knew you owned the hand.

Then at the turn and river you bet it out. I assume you would 3-bet it if given the opportunity, but be scared of a cap. Since that didn't happen, you knew you owned the hand.
No way I 3-bet just TPTK on the Turn/River in this pot. River decision is close, but I decided to go with the anti-idiot play.
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The rest of hand 2...

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Preflop: Fnord is UTG with J, J.
Fnord raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 5, Q, 6 (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Fnord folds, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

River: (9.50 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 5h 6h (two pair, queens and sixes).
MP2 has Kd 4d (one pair, queens).
Button has 7h Kh (one pair, queens).
Outcome: SB wins 9.50 BB.
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Old 09-15-2004, 07:12 AM #8 (permalink)  
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The only thing I'm sure of, is that just calling the flop cost MP2 money...

19%
44%
32%
5%

8%
:Qh: 46%
38%
8%

41%
:Ah: 12%
38%
9%
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