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08-27-2005, 02:45 PM Post subject: LHE Forum Layouts

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Well lately I decided to get more in-depth discussion about LHE I would talk to Xianti about possibly changing the way LHE is set up... currently we obviously hand ring of all level and MTTs/SnGs stuck together where the no limit players have: short handed, high stakes, beginners, SnGs, Ring, MTT, pretty much all aspects of the game…

My proposal is two different options:

1) We split into two different topics beginners and advanced

2) We split it into 3 topics: micro limits, small stakes, mid and high stakes, and tourneys according to there buy in would go into one of the 3 say if it was a $50 I would consider that mid stakes approximately we can vote on the stakes for each level If we decide to go with this choice over the other one…

Xianti hasn’t gotten back to me on a yes or no so this is pure speculation on my part to decide if it’s worth the work…

So I have a poll above please vote for the one that you would be interested in seeing…

Edit:
Option 1: Keep it the way it is
Option 2: full LHE and 6max LHE
Option 3: ring up to 3/6 and tourneys (possibly up to an amount?), 5/10
Option 4: micro limits/small stakes and mid/ high stakes (split at 3/6), and Hu/6max all
Option 5 : LHE - Passive Games: up to 2/4 to 5/10 online (depends on site/game), 10/20 live. LHE - Aggressive Games: higher stakes online games 3/6 6 max, heads-up

I think that all of them that are goot ideas... POLL OPEN

Xianti should we make this a sticky until we are done with it?

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08-27-2005, 03:32 PM

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we don't have enough players to split it into 3 sections. the beginner/tourney together doesn't make that much sense either...

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08-27-2005, 03:57 PM

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agreed... Not eonugh players.

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08-27-2005, 04:31 PM

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I really don't think it's worthwhile. There are less than a handful of people on here who regularly play mid/high stakes. Either layout ends up creating one really active forum and one or more dead ones.

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08-27-2005, 04:35 PM

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NL players claim more space becuase NL is the more popular game forum wide.

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08-27-2005, 05:08 PM

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I added Style 3 (other)

With the Stlye 2 I was thinking for future expansion more then right here right now...

And if tourneys in beg forum makes no since then we can do it by buy in or topical discussion on that hand...

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08-27-2005, 05:15 PM

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What does Fnord think? This is his forum, after all.

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08-27-2005, 05:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xianti

What does Fnord think? This is his forum, after all.

Main reason I posted it to see what everyone in this thread thinks

I don’t mean to piss on anyone or step over them sorry…

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08-27-2005, 05:34 PM

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I don’t mean to piss on anyone or step over them sorry…

Oh, no. Not at all. This poll will weigh in for sure, but I just wanted to see what Fnord thought.

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08-27-2005, 07:27 PM

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If you chose Style 3 (other) then please explain your ideas... So we can get a bettor prospectus of where we might want to go with this...

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08-27-2005, 07:38 PM

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Keep it the way it is. Or break it down into full ring and 6max. Thats the only way 2 forums could exist and both be fairly populated.

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08-27-2005, 08:31 PM

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I would really like a separate 6-max limit forum personally.

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08-27-2005, 09:08 PM

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Style 3:

1. Limit ring and tourney, full table.
2. Limit shorthanded
3. Limit B&M

I don't think it matters if one of the forums has very few threads ... those of us who play the limit will check them all out anyway.

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08-27-2005, 10:07 PM

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Since the players that play the LHE tournies are few and far between, we can really all but ignore them.

Secondly, We don't need to split it into three sections according to limit, considering most are below 5/10 6max level. I think we should create a dividing line at 3/6 full and below and then 5/10 6 max and up. So we would have some kind of small stakes forum and some other advanced play forum.

...I'm willing to guess there are more higher stakes/advanced LHE players than there are NL players, or at least that could regularly contribute. If not, there will be more in the relative near future (probably 6 months to 1 year, if not less than).

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08-27-2005, 10:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I think we should create a dividing line at 3/6 full and below and then 5/10 6 max and up.

I don't understand the system you are proposing. What about 5/10+ full and 3/6- 6-max? Where do these fall in?

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08-27-2005, 10:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I can agree with this... There is just not enough people to give LHE MTTs it's own thread...

How ever I’m kind of inclined to re do the poll and put the options said by Jeff, and others in the poll along with my own, so if anyone has another idea let me know by tomorrow because by tomorrow I’m putting up a new poll...

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenonsequitur

Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I think we should create a dividing line at 3/6 full and below and then 5/10 6 max and up.

I don't understand the system you are proposing. What about 5/10+ full and 3/6- 6-max? Where do these fall in?

3/6 6max fits with 3/6 full and 5/10 full fits with 5/10 6max i'm guessing?

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08-27-2005, 11:14 PM

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3/6 6max fits with 3/6 full and 5/10 full fits with 5/10 6max i'm guessing?

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08-27-2005, 11:41 PM

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How about:
1. Micro limits / small stakes
2. Medium / high stakes

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08-28-2005, 12:08 AM

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I'd vote for keeping it how it is until we get more people active in the limit forum, but if it's going to change I think the best option is definately splitting it up between 3/6 and below in one forum, 5/10 and above in another.

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08-28-2005, 02:09 AM

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Due to the level of play that I have witnessed, It may not be bad to split into 2/4 and below and 3/6 and above.
3/6 is definitely the dividing line of where you start to incorporate advanced play.
So I propose this: 3/6 and below forum...
and a 3/6 and above forum.

I don't agree with a B&M forum for limit since almost all B&M games are limit. The only difference is 6/12 is about the dividing line in B&M play, in my experience.
Also, who plays limit tourneys? There would be like one lonely guy in his own little forum.
Splitting limit into full and 6max isn't a bad idea, however unlike NL, most limit players play both. The strategies are definitely different, but not as much so as the difference in ability between micro and midstakes.
So far I agree most with jeff. I think the number of limit player who could contribute to a 5/10 and above forum is greater than the number of NL players in the same category.

My vote:
1) LHE Micro/small stakes
2) LHE Mid /High Stakes (where we are including some of the higher small stakes games)
3) LHE Heads Up/Shorthanded

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08-28-2005, 02:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

My vote:
1) LHE Micro/small stakes
2) LHE Mid /High Stakes (where we are including some of the higher small stakes games)
3) LHE Heads Up/Shorthanded

I second this. I think this is a great way to divide the fourms.

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08-28-2005, 11:44 AM

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I think short-handed and higher stakes games could fit in the same forum. With the exception of gamble-fests like 1/2 6-max and the Stars 2/4 6max and below fish-bake, both players are pretty much dealing with the same problem. "How do you deal with opponents who start raising a lot more often? and How do you not lose your shirt in blind wars?"

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08-28-2005, 07:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

So i'm taking it you want LHE Micro/small stakes up to 2/4?
and LHE Mid / high stakes 3/6 and up?
and LHE HU/ short handed all levels?

OK I think wee have enough options to narrow it down at least to TOP 2...

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08-28-2005, 07:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

How about:
1. Micro limits / small stakes
2. Medium / high stakes

this is pretty much what Jeff said in onther terms

08-28-2005, 09:58 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

How about:
1. Micro limits / small stakes
2. Medium / high stakes

this is pretty much what Jeff said in onther terms

yep
but I posted before I read the entire thread

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08-28-2005, 11:34 PM

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I am going to revise my points:
-3/6 is really the biggest dividing line in advanced play, but is still very beatable using WLLHE strategies. Therefore, while a lot of 3/6 posts could fit in Mid/High Stakes, 3/6 in general belongs in Micro/Small stakes.
-It is much more important to split LHE strategies into low limit/mid limit since the issues that you deal with are similar whether it is full ring or shorthanded. I am not opposed to having a 6max forum, but I am absolutely against having a 6max forum without splitting the ring games.

Since most of us seem to agree, I think the best option is to have a 3/6 and below forum, and another forum for levels above 3/6 and advanced concepts.
Since most 6max games played are 3/6 and above, and deal with the same advanced concepts, they can fit into the advanced forum.
6max games below 3/6 are often so fishy they are hard to discuss, but good HHs describing blind situations and bluff raises can also go in the advanced forum.

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08-29-2005, 12:43 AM

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Like I said I’ll take the top 2 and then put those two up for vote... So this is more or less a poll to narrow it down some and become more specific... with the 2 left then revote...

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08-29-2005, 05:12 PM

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I made this a sticky so we wouldn't loose or forget about it... when it's done I’ll make it normal again... speak your minds all and place a vote...

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08-30-2005, 03:09 AM

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I just realized there is hardly any difference between Option 3 and 4... I’d almost say we should add the 6max/HU to Option 3...

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08-30-2005, 10:12 PM

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I agree, the problem with this poll is that option 4 takes votes from the other 2.
Option 4 is not the same as option 3, it is a combination of option 2 and 3.

I think a better way to run this poll is to set it up like this:

1) Should we add a 6max forum y/n?
2) Should we add a midlimit/advanced forum y/n?

Then if both are yes, we have our answer to option 4.

BTW, I still cringe when I see "split at 2/4" Partially because I think it was a misinterpretation of what I said.
At least Nehmer, Jeff and I agree that it should be 3/6 and below for the micro/small forum. They just said that midlimit should start at 5/10 where I said some 3/6 games incorporate more advanced concepts.
We seem to have a majority acceptance that "advanced" would be 5/10 and above, though I guess we could vote on that also, after we vote on whether to add an advanced forum.

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08-30-2005, 11:45 PM

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Opps I’ll fix it...

Edit: Double opps I accidentally deleted the hole poll...

I remember Option 2/3 had 5 votes option 4 had 4... maybe some people will want to change there vote that the split was changed according to my misconception about what the idea was...

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08-31-2005, 12:29 AM

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I propose:

LHE - Passive Games: up to 2/4 to 5/10 online (depends on site/game), 10/20 live.
LHE - Aggressive Games: higher stakes online games 3/6 6 max, heads-up

Those are the two major table types. Although my favorite table texture is kind of in between with 2-3 donks I have position on with a bunch of tight/predicatble/multi/inattentive players filling the rest of the seats. At such a table I will claim to have over a 4BB/100 win-rate and could easily go a week without a significant loss if I played 3-4 tables 8-10 hours a day.

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08-31-2005, 03:04 AM

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now you tell me...

Whatever you got Option 5...

08-31-2005, 05:42 AM

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9 donks at the table is win
I have over 10BB/100

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08-31-2005, 04:48 PM

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To explain Option 4 bettor its basicly Option 3 with a 6max/hu topic added to it...

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Quote:

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9 donks at the table is win
I have over 10BB/100

Consider that schooling and such becomes more of a factor, and the big pots will produce some wild swings.

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09-01-2005, 06:40 PM

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Get your votes in top 2 advance...

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09-01-2005, 06:51 PM

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Fnord's idea makes sense to me. If you can play a fishy .5/1 6max game more or less the way you'd play 5/10 full ring, they oughta be together. I guess it strikes me as a helpful way to get you to think about table texture.

Splitting it by stakes just makes you think about money.

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09-01-2005, 07:50 PM

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sure but splitting at by stakes is mainly to create instances that you typically would fin in say 5/10 but no way in hell see to often at .5/1...

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09-02-2005, 09:02 PM

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I’m going to let this poll run for another week from today then I’ll take the top two and create a new topic and discus the benefits and down falls of the two ideas then we vote on them...

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09-09-2005, 05:03 AM

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Tomorrow the 9th @ 3pm EST 12pm PST I’m closing the poll... if you have not voted bettor get the vote in now...

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Poll Closed Top two:
Option 4: micro limits/small stakes and mid/ high stakes (split at 3/6), and Hu/6max all | 6 votes

AND

Option 2: full LHE and 6max LHE | 4 votes....

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