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Old 09-17-2004, 09:28 AM     Post subject: LHE: Blind defense #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with 6, 6.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO raises, Button folds, Fnord 3-bets, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5, 4, 9 (2 players)
Fnord bets, CO raises, Fnord 3-bets, CO calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 7 (2 players)
Fnord bets, CO calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
Fnord bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below:
CO has 8h Ah (high card, ace).
Fnord has 6h 6c (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Fnord wins 10.50 BB.

Hand 2

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Preflop: Fnord is BB with 9, 5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Fnord calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A, 9, T (2 players)
Fnord checks, MP1 bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
Fnord checks, MP1 bets, Fnord raises, MP1 calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 8 (2 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord has 9d 5d (two pair, nines and fives).
MP1 has 5s Ts (two pair, tens and fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins 9.25 BB.
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Old 09-17-2004, 11:42 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Looks standard to me

I'm terrible for over-defending my blinds though so it could read

Dealt to Fnord [Two Waffles] Fnord Raises

and I would say the same thing . .
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Old 09-17-2004, 03:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Defending with 66 makes sense, I dont think I would 3-bet the flop though. And the 95 hand? I guess Im to much of a wimp.

Do you play these this way as a message to the other players "dont raise my blind" or did you think 9-5 had good value on the flop?
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Old 09-17-2004, 04:30 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
Do you think this is profitable play in the long-run? Your basically assuming they CO doesnt have an over-pair (high than 6) on the preflop and flop. The preflop 3-bet gives extra incentive for the BB to fold, however it looks like it commits you to open with a flop bet. So thats 4BB bets no matter what flops. I guess the CO call on the preflop helps narrow the hand down to a med-pair or lower, 2-high cards, or Ax.. in this particular situation, but the raise on the flop is either strong or an outright bluff and you add another bet on top of that. So thats 6BB bets on either a better hand or a bluff by CO. I guess the CO decided to donate money from the flop on... What would you do if paint cards (or Ace) fell on the flop? Would you still 3-bet and bet the turn?

Hand 2:
The preflop call to raise seems dubious with 95diamonds. Also, I dont know about the flop check/call on the flop. You already know MP1 is going to bet the flop and you have no more information when going to the turn. I dont know about folding with 3rd button on the flop (I would think its ok). Maybe I would try check/raise and represent the Ace or bet the flop. In the current situation, if a rag fell on the turn, what would you do if MP1 bet again? MP1 probably should of 3-bet you on the turn and river..

Overall, I dont know if 3rd is good to play when HtoH in Limit games, especially if you arent the aggressor on the preflop or flop.
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:37 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
Best hand I played all night. Yes, I expect the 3-bet to be profitable. However, it's a tough hand to play post-flop without a set or OSD.

Hand 2:
Mixed feelings on this one. The raiser had pushed me off QQ w/ a Kxx, 2 suited flop, blank turn. He posted that hand. I guess I was feeling up for round 2. Certainly not a routine blind defense.
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