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Fnord

08-28-2004, 09:31 AM Post subject: LHE 6 max adjustments

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Stuff I've learned so far trying to adapt to the format....

o Play tighter than you think you should. Most players way over-compensate. A proper playlist is pretty close to what you would play in the same position at a full table. K-rag and most Ace-rag offsuit hands are still a muck.

o Be *LESS* inclined to steal blinds than at a full table. Expect they will defend aggressively. Expect they will 3-bet with a large range of hands. Most of my "steals" are actually value raises.

o It's ok to complete your small blind after it's folded around with weak but playable hands.

o Always open-raise. You should only limp behind other limpers with implied odds hands (pairs, suited Aces/Kings, suited connectors) or with weak offsuit top pair hands (AJ/KQ and worse) if there is little hope of folding out anyone pre-flop. Giving the BB a free flop is a serious leak. Also, not raising enough hands gives out too much information. Always raise big suited hands for value if the pot is unraised.

o 3-bet all but the tightest raisers with impunity when you have a legit hand. Don't cold-call unless you're behind other cold-callers.

o Post-flop expect to be called down a lot more often until proven otherwise. Hence, be more inclined to value bet the river as you would against bad players in a full game.

o Reads are much more important, as you need to make lots of decisions with not much of a hand.

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Toasty

08-28-2004, 09:48 AM

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I'll add

o - Don't loosen up your starting hand requirements much more than a full ring game.

o - Ditch the suited connectors and semi suited there is not enough implied odds.

o - sometimes A high is good.

o - Expect a lot more bluffing (don't increase your own).

o - Expect a hell of a lot more bad beats, people seeing 70% of the flops isn't a rare event.

o - Expect your variance to go through the roof.

o - Raise whenever you think you have the best starting hand.

Basic starting hand requirements, this is considered to be tight, some people will open raise 66.

UTG: AK-A9s, AK-AJo, KQ-KTs, KQo, QJs, AA-99
UTG+1: AK-A8s, AK-ATo, KQ-K9s, KQ-KJo, QJs, AA-88
CO: AK-A6s, AK-ATo, KQ-K8s, KQ-KTo, QJ-Q9s, QJo, JT-J9s, AA-77
Button: Axs, AK-A7o, KQ-K7s, KQ-K9o, QJ-Q8s, QJ-QTo, JT-J9s, JTo, T9-T8s, 98s, AA-66

As Fnord mentioned if you are first in and going to play open raise.

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08-28-2004, 10:06 AM

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UTG: AK-A9s, AK-AJo, KQ-KTs, KQo, QJs, AA-99

I'd add JTs, QTs and 88/77. Not so sure about A9s. In a really loose/bad game I might open limp any pocket pair here.

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Button: Axs, AK-A7o, KQ-K7s, KQ-K9o, QJ-Q8s, QJ-QTo, JT-J9s, JTo, T9-T8s, 98s, AA-66

Muck A2s, T8s. Add 87s, 55-22?

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08-28-2004, 10:09 AM

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o - Expect a hell of a lot more bad beats, people seeing 70% of the flops isn't a rare event.

100% isn't rare either.

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08-28-2004, 10:38 AM

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As I mentioned its a tight starting hand, QTs seems really loose UTG

88 / 77 depends how tight you play, I sometimes open raise 88 sometimes call sometimes fold.

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08-28-2004, 10:41 AM

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We will never agree on specific starting hands anyway. It's more player dependant, an UTG ATo raise for someone is +EV for another it may be -EV.

I posted it pretty much an introduction

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08-28-2004, 12:26 PM

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We will never agree on specific starting hands anyway. It's more player dependant, an UTG ATo raise for someone is +EV for another it may be -EV.

I posted it pretty much an introduction

Also consider that at some point it becomes neutral EV, and your post-flop skill relative to your opponents becomes more important.

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11-12-2004, 10:37 AM

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Hate to bring back an old post but it seems relevent to my 6 max $1/2 table I play at Empire.

Which of the starting hands do you recommend raising preflop, I seem to be too passive preflop and pay the price of chasers calling with anything.

Thx in advance.

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11-12-2004, 11:37 AM

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You should almost always be open-raising. Also, be willing to 3-bet hands like 99,AQ, AJs, KQs, etc. depending on the raiser. People become more important. Watch what they're doing and run a counter-strategy. Otherwise, just play your usual full ring game and you'll do fine.

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11-12-2004, 07:38 PM

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So, I played about 30 hands of 6-max 1/2 today...

My V$IP was up above 40%! Agression was good, 3.5 I think I may have been completeing too many SBs. KXos, J7, etc.

It also seems like really no fun to play short handed, 3-4 people because of the blinds.

Here are my hands...

Dealt to zenbitz [ 9d Jc ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Jh Js ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 6c Qh ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Jc 8h ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 2d Ts ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 9c Qd ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Ks 2s ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 7h Ac ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 9s 2d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Qc 4s ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 9h 3d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 7h Kh ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ As Jc ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 5s Qs ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Jd 8s ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Ts Td ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 5s Jc ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 4c 2d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 8c Jh ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Qh Td ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 2s Qc ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 4c Ac ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 9c Qh ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 6c Ks ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Kh 5s ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Kh 2d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Js 3d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Ts 4d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 7d 5c ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 4d 8c ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Qc Ah ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 7h 5c ]

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11-12-2004, 07:46 PM

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Dealt to zenbitz [ 6c Qh ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 2d Ts ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 9s 2d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Qc 4s ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 9h 3d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 5s Jc ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 4c 2d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 2s Qc ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 6c Ks ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Kh 5s ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Kh 2d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Js 3d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ Ts 4d ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 7d 5c ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 4d 8c ]
Dealt to zenbitz [ 7h 5c ]

If there are 5 or 6 people at the table 40% VP$IP is waaaayyy too loose.

Unless you are 3-handed or heads-up I would never put in any money pre-flop with any of the above hands.

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