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lowriders
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10-25-2004, 04:30 PM
Post subject: Less folding playing limit hold'em?
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
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Since the stakes aren't as high. You better off to just go with the hand unless you really have nothing?
I've noticed that at the limit tables and I'm sure this is an obvious observation, that everyone at least waits around at least until the flop. Do you do more chasing at a limit game or should you try to play the same?
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Humphrind
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 1,887
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Play the same. I think going from NL to limit is tough. NL is about weaknesses, errors and mistakes.
But limit you have all those, plus leaks. Things that lose you a few chips at a time. They are harder to spot, but just as detrimental to your bank roll.
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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lowriders
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 9
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Leaks?
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
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leaks are basically decisions you make that didn't seem like bad decisions at the time but after many times it nets in losses.
for example, you have 78s. not a bad hand, you decide to limp in from ALL positions. this usually isn't a bad decision so it seems, but this is a major leak. after 1000 hands you will show a loss. with 78s you should only limp in late position against no raises to show a marginal profit.
because of the ability to control the pot size in NL, you can sometimes bluff your way out of this bad call, but you can be certain you can not bluff down in limit, someone WILL call you down.
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ChezJ
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10-25-2004, 10:35 PM
Post subject: leaks
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Washington, D.C.
Posts: 1,456
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at my limit HE games, the guys who play NL are always the first ones to blow out. they leak away their chips a little at a time, thinking, oh it's not that much to call. or they attempt to bluff but fail because the threat is smaller and they can't scare out everyone. they are of the mindset that when they win, they'll recover those chips, but that is simply not the case.
the way you win in limit HE is to play better than your opponents. this means maximizing the differential between their play and yours. if they are playing too loose and chasing cards, then you need to play tighter than them and not chase cards (unless you have odds). you don't have to be a good player, just not as bad (leaky/loose) as your opposition.
ChezJ
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Fnord
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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It's different.
In NL you can make money with a loose image, burning small amounts on speculative holdings and boarder-line bluffs only to make it back when you nail some big pair with a freakish holding.
In limit a bunch of interesting things happen...
o You can't make up the lost value by playing loose pre-flop in one or two hands. I'm constantly re-adjusting my pre-flop play.
o You must have a rock-like table image to get away with some bluffs
o Bluffing requires picking your target and representing a hand. This somtimes requires action on multiple streets.
o In a loose game, with so much in the pot pre-flop, some loose calls are correct. Hence, you must call flop bets with the worst of it sometimes because folding is an even bigger mistake. This is the "schooling" effect that drives some players to tilt. To be successful, you must learn how to profitably chase.
o A loose call in some situations is warrented, otherwise you can be marked as a *very* profitable bluff target.
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