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Old 02-14-2008, 12:35 PM     Post subject: Late night fun with a Maniac #1 (permalink)  
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Late night, I'm in my kinda LAggy gear spewing off some steam...

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Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with A, T. CO posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 =#A500AF(Maniac)/ raises, 1 fold, Fnord 3-bets, 5 folds, UTG+1 =#A500AF(Maniac)/ caps, Fnord calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5, T, 3 (2 players)
Maniac bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A (2 players)
Maniac bets, Fnord calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
Maniac bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is BB with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, Button =#A500AF(Maniac)/ raises, SB calls, Fnord calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) , , (4 players)
SB checks, Fnord checks, UTG+1 checks, Maniac bets, SB folds, Fnord raises, UTG+1 folds, Maniac 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (7 BB) (2 players)
Fnord checks, Maniac bets, Fnord calls.

River: (9 BB) (2 players)
Fnord checks, Maniac bets, Fnord raises, Maniac calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with , .
6 folds, CO =#A500AF(Maniac)/ raises, 1 fold, Fnord calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) , , (3 players)
Fnord checks, BB checks, Maniac bets, Fnord raises, BB folds, Maniac 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (6 BB) (2 players)
Fnord checks, Maniac bets, Fnord raises, Maniac calls.

River: (10 BB) (2 players)
Fnord bets, Maniac calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB


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Preflop: Fnord is CO with , .
4 folds, MP2 =#A500AF(Maniac)/ raises, 1 fold, Fnord 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, MP2 =#A500AF(Maniac)/ caps, Fnord calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) , , (3 players)
SB checks, Maniac bets, Fnord raises, SB calls, Maniac 3-bets, Fnord caps, SB calls, Maniac calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) (3 players)
SB checks, Maniac checks, Fnord bets, SB calls, Maniac folds.

River: (14.50 BB) (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB


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Preflop: Fnord is UTG with , .
Fnord raises, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB =#A500AF(Maniac)/ calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) , , (4 players)
Maniac checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls, Button folds, Maniac calls.

Turn: (6 BB) (3 players)
Maniac checks, Fnord bets, MP2 folds, Maniac calls.

River: (8 BB) (2 players)
Maniac checks, Fnord bets, Maniac calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:52 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1) I probably hold my breath and raise/call the river here.

Hand 2) I have a hard time calling pf with 64. Do you have a rationale for this?

Hands 3, 4, 5) Pretty standard, no?

EDIT: Ya I fold hand 3 pf too.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 6.
2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 3, 5, T (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 3s 6s (one pair, threes).
Button has 6c Jc (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.25 BB.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1) I do it exactly the same

2) yah even getting 5:1 against a maniac raiser and more than one person in the pot I dont think calling preflop here is possible. 8.2:1 on improving to 2 pair or a set with one pair and you have to believe your behind right now. This is pretty borderline when your getting 8:1 he threebet you on the flop and theres a K and a Q on board. (plus being OOP)

3) I dont think I call this either, your not suited, its not multiway so your not garunteed monies for a unsuited gapped drawing hand OOP. I like the semi-bluff checkraise on the flop but after he threebets i c/c down even when improving on the turn.

4) I like the isolating the maniac 3 bet but im still out on whether or not its better than calling. It does get other hands out but from all these hands it seems pretty likely its goin to a cap and KJo aint capalistic (yah i made that up). Now on the turn I also question your cap, the initial raise is good but when SB calls 2 cold id be inclined to just call the 3 bet and see the turn. ( with no read on SB what hands call a 3bet cold and dont cap it themselves then on the flop call 2 cold with an active player behind, AJ,AJs,AQs,,JJ,TT, KQs) --- some of which have hit the flop hard and are just callling to slwplay to turn. And I like the turn bet, but on the river when hes calling id be worried flush but since he checks to you bet it all day long

5) I do it the same
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2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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2) yah even getting 5:1 against a maniac raiser and more than one person in the pot I dont think calling preflop here is possible. 8.2:1 on improving to 2 pair or a set with one pair and you have to believe your behind right now. This is pretty borderline when your getting 8:1 he threebet you on the flop and theres a K and a Q on board. (plus being OOP)
He's getting 7:1, he has fabulous implied odds, he play good postflop.
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Old 02-14-2008, 05:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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2) yah even getting 5:1 against a maniac raiser and more than one person in the pot I dont think calling preflop here is possible. 8.2:1 on improving to 2 pair or a set with one pair and you have to believe your behind right now. This is pretty borderline when your getting 8:1 he threebet you on the flop and theres a K and a Q on board. (plus being OOP)
He's getting 7:1, he has fabulous implied odds, he play good postflop.
-oops missed the BB, isent it 6:1? (1UTG call, 2 maniac raise, 2 SB call, 1 your BB already in)

-i understand that hes probably getting good implied odds but he still has 64o. If it was suited I could see it playing better because of flush possibilities, but basically your hoping to hit a straight or a really low 2 pair that could not be the best hand. Even against bad players and with implied odds I dont think this warrants a call preflop. Hypothetically say 2+ more people in the pot then maybe the implied odds are "fabulous".
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2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:12 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I agree that 'fabulous' is a slight overstatement of your implied odds with 64o.
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