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euphoricism
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02-28-2006, 01:32 AM
Post subject: KQo in the SB.. what say you?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Edit: MP is your standard 30 20ish type of dude.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , K .
1 fold, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold.
Flop: (5 SB) 2 , 6, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls.
Turn: (4.50 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP folds.
Final Pot: 5.50 BB
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Fnord
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The by-the-book line is to 3-bet pre-flop. But I like this line better.
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I think check/raising the flop line is pretty transparent, however both will work. I prefer the 3-bet preflop as you are potentially risking less to achieve the same result. Also, if he raises you at any points its a much easier fold than if he were to just call down.
But, either way it works.
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Fnord
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The 3-bet PF defines your hole cards. The call + c/r on blanks makes it much more difficult for the PFR to put you on a hand.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Fnord
The 3-bet PF defines your hole cards. The call + c/r on blanks makes it much more difficult for the PFR to put you on a hand.
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Question I have:
Isn't he more likely to fold when he have well-defined our hand? And, isn't he more likely to call down when he doesn't know what we have?
IMO 3betting preflop also forces your opponent to define his hand range more and just makes your hand play so much better OOP.
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euphoricism
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A preflop 3bet would say, "I dont have 46, A6, K6, Q6,35..."
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Isn't he more likely to fold when he have well-defined our hand? And, isn't he more likely to call down when he doesn't know what we have?
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A PF 3-bet is representing a couple big cards or maybe a pair. By waiting for the flop we're representing something bearing some relation to the texture of the flop.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
IMO 3betting preflop also forces your opponent to define his hand range more and just makes your hand play so much better OOP.
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In more aggressive games (mostly 6 max) I found that I got auto-capped and/or played back at a lot on boards where my opponent felt the board missed me. Even when the board came Axx, it was difficult to represent the Ace. The level of aggression and mistrust goes through the roof.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Fnord
In more aggressive games (mostly 6 max) I found that I got auto-capped and/or played back at a lot on boards where my opponent felt the board missed me. Even when the board came Axx, it was difficult to represent the Ace. The level of aggression and mistrust goes through the roof.
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The game has changed, it was at one point like that at 5/10 and I got a lot of that at 30/60 and even 15/30, but I hardly ever see that at 10/20 6 max, let alone 5/10. The guys have no creativity in their blind defense/offense and have no skill at all in stealing pots.
If my opponent wants to guess at the strength of my hand that's his problem.
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I agree. Calling the PFR, Checkraising the ragged flop, and leading the turn would be the best to scare the pre-flop aggressor.
-Kes
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If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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elipsesjeff
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Also, I raise to get BB out of the pot.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Also, I raise to get BB out of the pot.
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I think this is the real reason why a raise is better than the call. It is imperative at a short-handed table to make the blinds pay to play.
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