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Romulus141

12-21-2005, 01:28 AM Post subject: KQo from middle position

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I guess my biggest question is, should I have bet on the flop from my position, or checked? Just generally, when I raise pre-flop, and no one else has raised, when I completely wiff on the flop and I am checked to, is it generally good to bet?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, Q

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 3

, 8

, 2

(6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) K

(5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (14.75 BB) T

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has 5d Kd (one pair, kings).
Hero has Kh Qc (one pair, kings).
MP3 has Ad Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP3 wins 17.75 BB.

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rubixstreub

12-21-2005, 02:00 AM

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flush draw possible on a ragged board and that many people seeing the flop I think you're better off with the check/call and hope you get the exact same card/action you got on the turn. Other than that, I play it the same.

UTG+1 Played this so poorly

... even though you lost you have to appreciate his bad play. Now you know if this guy raises he has to be holding AA/KK (maybe QQ) 'cause AK isn't worth his raise preflop.

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LeFou

12-21-2005, 05:02 AM

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yeh, it's a necessary cbet. you might fold if raised, but these are not the kinds of cards ppl play for a raise unless they've set. Kd and Qd are basically dead for you.

Since no one raise, it's bet/call from the trn

not2smart

12-21-2005, 11:58 AM

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I would have checked the flop. I don't think that a continuation bet is a good idea into 5 opponents with a two suited board (especially considering you have no diamond). C-bets are best and most effective vs. few opponents, ideally one or two. I may be wrong on that?

If someone behind you bets. I would likely fold. I would consider calling but the pot would have to be very big, perhaps offering 10:1. Like mentioned above, there is a very good chance that you are drawing to 4 outs and overcard outs are not as strong to begin with. Finally, even if you do hit on the turn, you will often lose on the river to some other draw.

Conclusion: I would check and fold. That was a terrible flop for you in a very multi-way pot. Am I too weak on this?

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