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LeFou
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08-04-2005, 11:41 AM
Post subject: KQo, connects, turn looks safe...
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Been working on applying some principles from HEPAP, which I just got through for the first time. This one is: if you flop a good but vulnerable hand, wait until a safe turn comes before getting the raise in.
(Actually, I think he said if an overcard is unlikely to hurt you, you can give a free card. For some reason I didn't think opps had any aces, so I did.)
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , Q .
3 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO calls.
Flop: (7 SB) 3 , 8, K (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls.
Turn: (5 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls $0.50 (All-In).
River: (10.25 BB) 2 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: 10.25 BB
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TylerK
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Looks like a donk raise to me, I'm probably calling this down.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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LeFou
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I thought so too, and therefore chose to bet out the river. What do you think?
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TylerK
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Eh. Betting out definitely has its merits.
I lean towards check/call here, with the logic being that he may bet hands that he wouldn't call a raise with (busted flush draws, ace high, etc), but then, who can say what junk he might call a river bet with?
The only problem is that I really don't want to call a river raise, but I'm pretty sure I can't fold if I bet the river and he raises.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Full House
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If you just call the turn, I would probably check/call the river too. Give him a chance to bluff and give yourself a chance to see a showdown relatively cheaply.
And like Tyler said, leading the river ain't bad if you have the guy pegged as a scare card bluffer.
HEPFAP principles will likely just get you into trouble at this level. SSH fo life!
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-jay
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Fnord
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When anyone is close to all-in I give them unlimited action.
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LeFou
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i'm not worried about the AI guy -- he has crap and everyone knows it. could you explain further?
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Gatlin Dan
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There's not too many hands here that would beat you that would have reasonably entered the pot without raising.. 88 maybe.
Your hand is good hear most of the time. I check and plan to call if he bets.. I can't put him on a three and 88 is remote. He'f probably bluffing on the turn and if you bet the river, a fold can usually be expected. I try to win that extra bet.
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