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Old 12-01-2005, 05:36 AM     Post subject: KQo against a super-loose passive table #1 (permalink)  
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This was my second hand at this table, and I could tell from the stats on the table from the PokerStars Lobby that this was a table full of super-loose passives. The previous hand also contained nearly every player at the table with four of them going to showdown with crap.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, Q.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (16 SB) A, 2, 6 (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) J (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: (11.50 BB) K (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG folds, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 9d Qh (high card, ace).
Hero has Kd Qc (one pair, kings).
Button has 5h 6s (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.50 BB.

Was my line optimal? The complete passivity the entire table had after an ace on the flop appeared convinced me that no one had an ace, and that seeing the turn was a must in this big pot with two overcards that may still be good.

Nevertheless, this was an interesting table to play at. Too bad people busted out really quick and half the table left after about 10 hands. I did manage to extract one more good-sized pot though before the table was replaced with tight players and was no longer worth my time.
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:54 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Why can't the button have an ace?
This is a clear flop fold IMO. You have no hand no draw and could be dominated.
Congrats on your win.
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:00 AM #3 (permalink)  

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if your sure noone has the ace and you going to continue why not raise? Alot more good will come from that then calling. Your call from as a pfr on an A high clean board looks screwy to your opponents.

honestly this many people to the flop im sure one of them likely has an ace, youve been bet into and im not interested in continuing.

but im no expert.
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Old 12-01-2005, 11:40 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Why can't the button have an ace?
This is a clear flop fold IMO. You have no hand no draw and could be dominated.
Congrats on your win.
Yeah, true. I guess at the time I interpreted the button's bet as a bluff/semi-bluff because of the strange dynamic this table had. The way the players played at this table literally made no sense, even from a beginner's point of view. Had the pot been smaller, and had the table been even slightly tighter and had I not witnessed the way the previous hand played out (tons of people showing down with strange hands), I would have folded this flop. Turned out I was correct, although I couldn't have been 100% sure. Probably should have raised though with that sort of gut intuition.

But yeah, that was a clear gamble I didn't have the odds for. I just had a gut feeling this time around and I went with it. The turn's action only confirmed it when the button checked.

I don't typically listen to gut feelings since they aren't that strong. I guess this was an exception. I doubt I'll pull this kind of action again though, I really shouldn't play like this when the odds aren't in my favor.
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Old 12-01-2005, 11:19 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Button didn't bluff, he bet middle pair with a crappy backdoor inside straight draw. As much as I don't think he should be playing 56o, I don't blame him for betting his piece of the flop against 7 players that checked around to him. When the Turn didn't deliver the 3 or the 4, he checked hoping to improve otherwise on the River.

Also, SB is l33t for calling down with Q high. But at .10/.20 I suppose anything is possible.



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Old 12-02-2005, 12:05 AM #6 (permalink)  
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honestly this many people to the flop im sure one of them likely has an scared ace or some sort of gay slow play, youve been bet into and im not interested in continuing.
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Old 12-02-2005, 08:55 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 Well, the pot is out of control ad I dont know what you fold getting 22-1 Odds. I can't fault you for calling.


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Well, the pot is out of control ad I dont know what you fold getting 22-1 Odds. I can't fault you for calling.
Meh, I really hate drawing to possible runners. This game is so soft, I'll use the lame adage "I'll find a better spot to put my money" than bohter trying to figure out if 22-1 is good enough here.
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