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KK vs check 3-bet on flop. Did I miss bets?

  
 
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Old 07-23-2005, 06:57 AM     Post subject: KK vs check 3-bet on flop. Did I miss bets? #1 (permalink)  
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No hand history since this was a B&M game. I have been playing at this table for only an orbit or so, so reads may not be 100%. I am on the button with KK, several limpers. LP1 is a poor player, somewhat selective pre-flop but plays very poorly post-flop. SB is semi decent, and folds frequently pre-flop and on missed flops.

Pre-flop:
2-3 limpers, I raise, SB calls, BB folds, all limpers call.

Flop:
Flop is Q83 rainbow. Checked to LP1 who bets. I think he has a Q with a random kicker. I raise, SB 3-bets. Everyone folds to LP1 who calls. I look over at SB and say "That sucks". She gives me a half smile but doesn't say anything. I had not seen her get out of line during my short stay, and the only hand I had seen her play aggressively (in all betting rounds) was a flopped set of Q's. I don't put her on a set (when she flopped the set of Q's I picked up a strength tell, she did not exhibit that tell in this hand). I think she either has a weird 2 pair or AQ.

Turn:
Brick on the turn (doesn't pair board, not an ace). SB leads out, LP1 calls.
I call. (Should I have raised here? Why or why not?) I am still not sure if she has AQ or 2 pair.

River:
Ace of spades. SB quickly checks, LP1 checks, I... ?
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Old 07-23-2005, 11:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Check/3-bets from tight players in the blinds worry me too. I play the turn the same. Bet the river, you'll get shown 2 pair a lot, but both players will call with worse hands too often to check behind without a compelling reason.
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Old 07-23-2005, 12:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Value bet the river. LP1 wont have much and it seems unlikely that SB would go for a check/raise on the river, the Ace probably scared her into checking a smaller pair than yours.

You called the flop 3-bet right? If so than I play the rest of the hand the same way. I don't think your hand is the best often enough to raise the turn and a raise here wouldn't serve any other purpose if not for value.
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Ooops, yes I called the flop. I thought about raising the turn because
a) I might have the best hand, assuming SB only has AQ
b) Turn raises usually scare the B&M crowd, I'm unlikely to get 3-bet, and can check behind unimproved on the river. If I'm behind, I get to showdown for the same 2 bets. If the board pairs 3's or I spike a K, I win a bigger pot.

Results in white:

Hero checks.
SB shows 7c 8c (middle pair and backdoor flush draw?!)
Lp1 shows QTo
I missed bets
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