Originally Posted by face

Texas Hold'em $1-$2{spam link}(real money),{spam link}hand{spam link}#839,048,115

Table Rabat,{spam link}21 Apr 2005 04:59 PM




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Seat{spam link}1:{spam link}thespartan{spam link}($60{spam link}in{spam link}chips)

Seat{spam link}2:{spam link}highland al{spam link}($42.25{spam link}in{spam link}chips)

Seat{spam link}4:{spam link}Bedstead{spam link}($40.75{spam link}in{spam link}chips)

Seat{spam link}5:{spam link}ivok{spam link}($18.50{spam link}in{spam link}chips)

Seat{spam link}6:{spam link}cursed_ronin{spam link}($49{spam link}in{spam link}chips)

Seat{spam link}7:{spam link}badbeat_99{spam link}($63.25{spam link}in{spam link}chips)

Seat{spam link}8:{spam link}DontGDRit{spam link}($38.25{spam link}in{spam link}chips)

Seat{spam link}9:{spam link}bam008654321{spam link}($56.50{spam link}in{spam link}chips)

Seat{spam link}10:{spam link}wzeller{spam link}[KC,KD]{spam link}($98.75{spam link}in{spam link}chips)




ANTES/BLINDS
bam008654321 posts blind ($0.50), wzeller posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
thespartan calls $1, highland al folds, Bedstead folds, ivok folds, cursed_ronin folds, badbeat_99 folds, DontGDRit folds, bam008654321 folds, wzeller bets $1, thespartan calls $1.

FLOP [board cards QS,10S,4C ]
wzeller bets $1, thespartan bets $2, wzeller bets $2, thespartan calls $1.

TURN [board cards QS,10S,4C,QH ]
wzeller checks, thespartan bets $2, wzeller calls $2.

RIVER [board cards QS,10S,4C,QH,6C ]
wzeller checks, thespartan checks.

SHOWDOWN
wzeller shows [ KC,KD ]
thespartan mucks cards [ 9C,10C ]
wzeller wins $14.




SUMMARY
Dealer: DontGDRit
Pot: $14.50, (including rake: $0.50)
thespartan, loses $7
highland al, loses $0
Bedstead, loses $0
ivok, loses $0
cursed_ronin, loses $0
badbeat_99, loses $0
DontGDRit, loses $0
bam008654321, loses $0.50
wzeller, bets $7, collects $14, net $7

Originally Posted by Rondavu

If your betting for information, then you have to have a good reason to call if your raised. You got your information, so most of the time fold. I do agree you should bet out the turn here. My reasoning would be there's a flush and straight draw out there he could be chasing.

In my mind, the reason you have to fold to a raised turn if you bet out is because he raised your bet on the flop. Often when someone holds top pair on the flop and you bet into them, they raise you for info. He could also be raising the draw for a free card on a board of Qs 10s 4c, which is why you bet out the turn. If the board was Qc 7d 2s on the flop I would check the turn because the only thing he could be raising is the Q, trips, or two pair on that ugly flop.

Of course the top pair then paired the board on the turn. Even though he didn't have the Q, if you bet and he raised the turn you would have to fold. If he chose to raise a pair of tens against a two queen turn, then hats off. He bluffed you this time. If he consistently does that, then eventually you'll tag him a maniac and begin to catch him. Without player info you have to fold to a turn raise.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

If your betting for information, then you have to have a good reason to call if your raised. You got your information, so most of the time fold. I do agree you should bet out the turn here. My reasoning would be there's a flush and straight draw out there he could be chasing.

In my mind, the reason you have to fold to a raised turn if you bet out is because he raised your bet on the flop. Often when someone holds top pair on the flop and you bet into them, they raise you for info. He could also be raising the draw for a free card on a board of Qs 10s 4c, which is why you bet out the turn. If the board was Qc 7d 2s on the flop I would check the turn because the only thing he could be raising is the Q, trips, or two pair on that ugly flop.

Of course the top pair then paired the board on the turn. Even though he didn't have the Q, if you bet and he raised the turn you would have to fold. If he chose to raise a pair of tens against a two queen turn, then hats off. He bluffed you this time. If he consistently does that, then eventually you'll tag him a maniac and begin to catch him. Without player info you have to fold to a turn raise.