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rolonrolon
Old 12-31-2005, 11:03 PM     Post subject: KK- my wrost hand. #1 (permalink)  

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After 3k hands playing .50/1 and 1/2 I've lost more money with KK than any other hand. After 13 hands being dealt KK, I'm down $54 and I'm pretty sure its because I play it crappy and just can't fold when its obvious I should.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8, Q, 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 2 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB



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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
UTG raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9, 7, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, SB calls.

River: (8 BB) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB



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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J, 7, 2 (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, CO calls, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG caps, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

River: (11.50 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, CO calls $3.25 (All-In), Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.12 BB



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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 4, Q, A (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, CO folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, MP folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 6 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB


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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
1 fold, MP calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6, 3, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) A (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB



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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls, Hero caps, SB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 9, 8, J (3 players)
SB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP calls, Hero caps, SB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP folds, Hero calls.

River: (19.50 BB) J (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB



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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K.
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2, 9, Q (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.75 BB


PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A, J, 6 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 5 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB



Thanks for the help.


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Old 01-01-2006, 12:21 AM #2 (permalink)  
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A couple things before the analysis. First, your sample is too small to be worried about KK being a losing hand. Short term results in poker can look abysmal. My current downswing is proof of that. Second, in the future, don't post results with the hands. I didn't peek until after I wrote my reaction, but not everyone does, and you don't want results-oriented advice.

I'm assuming opponents are passive.

Hand #1: Turn raises are rarely bluffs from passive opponents. Usually it says, "I can beat top pair." I'm not comfortable three-betting this under that circumstance, since the pot is small. Either call his raise and fold the river unimproved or fold the turn. I'm more inclined to call the turn raise simply because you don't want opponents to try and bluff you off hands with turn raises.

Hand #2: I think this is a check the river situation. You're only going to be called by hands that beat you on a board like this. Save the BB.

Hand #3: The pot is large, so the flop bet is necessary. Now that I think of it, he could just be overplaying a jack, so I think the flop line is okay. You HAVE to lead that turn though. The scare card fell, and I doubt your opponent would cap with a flush draw. Bet, and try and scare him. If you're raised on the turn, then yeah, you're beaten. Cut your losses and fold. River card sucks, he probably has trips or even a full house. Someone can argue with me on this, but I don't think you're good even 10% of the time with this, so I check/fold.

Hand #4: You're beat. 3bet by passive opponent on the flop tells me he has aces or better. Fold after 3bet or peel one off and fold the turn unimproved.

Hand #5: Once again a turn raise is rarely a bluff from passive opponents. With a board like this he probably has a straight or two-pair. But, there is an off-chance that he is over-playing a flush draw or just a pair of sevens. As long as you're good 10% of the time, you break even with this. So yeah, it sucks but you should call down. If the pot was any smaller I would fold.

Hand #6: I think you overplayed this one. SB is screaming that he has a high pocket pair, most likely aces. Though, since he could have queens or kings himself, you gotta call this one down. After that flop 3bet, I'm calling down and not raising anymore.

Hand #7: You picked up the second nut flush draw, so I'm fine with your flop line. I'm not liking turn and river though. You may be beat against a made flush, but more likely you're facing aces or a set of queens. In many cases, you're way behind. Check/call the turn and fold the river unimproved. You need a set of kings or a flush yourself to win.

Hand #8: Raise the flop. You may have the best hand and you need to know where you stand. If 3bet, you can assume he has the ace and fold. If just called, bet the turn and river. You are probably losing, but need only win 10% of the time to turn a profit, which you may.
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Old 01-01-2006, 12:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Please don't include results as they tend to skew analysis
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